On Mon, Aug 03, 2015 at 01:23:30PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 03 Aug 2015 16:00:27 +0200
> Didier Kryn <kryn@???> wrote:
>

> >      Devuan is not opposed to kdbus, nor even to systemd. People here 
> > want the freedom to not use systemd; they don't deny others the right
> > to use it, nor to use kdbus.

>
> Devuan was created out of a dislike of systemd. When you say "People
> here want the freedom to not use systemd; they don't deny others the
> right", we're not going to deliberately and maliciously put booby traps
> against systemd in Devuan.
>
Of course not! That is software malpractice.

> But I hope neither you nor others interpret this as our spending a
> microsecond of development time making systemd use easier. Nor that we
> add even one config option to ease use of systemd. I hope nobody is
> suggesting that we in the slightest inconvenience a normal Devuan user
> to accommodate this hypothetical person who wants to put systemd on
> Devuan, instead of using Debian.

What is plausible, though, is to use conditional compilation or other
tools to make systemd optional when we modify the source code for
a package. This could increase the chance that upstream will
accept our changes and simplify our long-term maintenance burden.

>
> There are probably 30 official major binary distributions[1] defaulting
> to systemd. There's 1 official major binary distribution defaulting to
> something else: Devuan. Devuan's priority must be to provide a
> sans-systemd OS, not diluted by the irrelevant "freedom" of installing
> systemd on it.

Excellent.

-- hendrik