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Auteur: James Powell
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Aan: miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr, dng
Onderwerp: Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?
First off cool your jets, and trying call me out on knowing the internals of an IPC in Userspace I didn't develop is very childish.

I honestly don't care if D-Bus what it does other than be a communication and messaging relay between applications and processes, as long as it does what it does, and doesn't infringe on anything else.

D-Bus is used and is a requirement for some services and software. You're unfortunately not going to have your cake and coffee with getting rid of D-Bus. Yes, it's not the greatest design, but it is friendly at least to the whole UNIX spectrum.

Devuan's main purpose is getting rid of systemd as a hard dependency and allowing user choice in init software, not ripping apart every project to cater to ever niche and fundamentalist out there preaching what they feel is FOSS, and also to not start a witch hunt on software projects.
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From: miro.rovis@???<mailto:miro.rovis@croatiafidelis.hr>
Sent: ‎7/‎22/‎2015 9:43 PM
To: dng@???<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Cc: James Powell<mailto:james4591@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [DNG] Will there be a MirDevuan "WTF"?

On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 03:28:28PM -0700, James Powell wrote:
> D-Bus isn't great, but currently it is still a cross-UNIX IPC in
> userspace. BSD uses it, Illumos uses it, and so does GNU/Linux.
>

Since you would still like it around, in opportunistic or in some other
way that I should call it, I think a question is due.

Can you tell to the public what is the purpose of the
user-not-asked-about, in fact mostly user-never-even-knowing-about-it
encrypted ssh channel that dbus sets up, along with all the
non-GNU-compatible remote procedure calls (which are there for what
purpose?) that dbus implements?

Is that for FOSS stands for?

> D-Bus is way down my list of software to steer clear of any more.

Your choice. Does that mean you won't look favorably that us who don't
want dbus have a way with our Devuan installs? I hope not.
> ________________________________
> On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 02:51:59PM -0400, Steve Litt wrote:
> > On Wed, 22 Jul 2015 20:03:03 +0200
> > miro.rovis@??? wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jul 22, 2015 at 11:50:44AM -0400, Jude Nelson wrote:
> > > > Vdev does not use dbus. [...]
> > > > -Jude
> > > [...] And I'm very glad that I was wrong!
> >
> > I'll say one thing though: Like miro.rovis, if I had my ideal system,
> > it would lack dbus. [...]
> And I have in my Gentoo alsa working perfectly (and surely: without
> pulseaudio), without dbus, really a nice, intrusion unfriendly install,
> and improving.
>
> And on my Debian when I mostly (not completely) succeeded in applying
> lots of stuff from:
>
> MirDebian "WTF" Repository
> https://www.mirbsd.org/~tg/Debs/debidx.htm
> [...]
> without [...] poetterware. And I made that Tips page about it (see my
> first-in-this-thread mail). It's not as read as my Grsec Install Tips
> page for Debian (see my 1st mail), not only was, but still is (still
> is!), but it did grew to a few thounsad viewsi [...]
>
> Meaning, Debianers were able to follow it and clean their systems from
> systemd and dbus and pulseaudio with more or less success, or at the
> very least were eager too!
>


Regards!

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Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr