On Wed, 15 Jul 2015 15:07:46 -0400 (EDT)
Rob Owens <rowens@???> wrote:

> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Steve Litt" <slitt@???>
>

> > I did a lot of work with Gentoo over the weekend, and from my
> > perspective, although Gentoo inits with OpenRC, it seems to default
> > to udev, not eudev, and there's way to much systemd type stuff for
> > my taste. They even have those wonderful "Predictable Network
> > Interface Names"
> > (http://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/PredictableNetworkInterfaceNames/).
> > Silly me, I thought eth0 was predictable.
> >
> > I know I can get back eth0 with a kernel argument, but I'm just
> > illustrating how var Gentoo has gone down the systemd path.
>
> Steve,
>
> If you're interested, give Funtoo a try. I've been using it lately
> and I like it. It uses OpenRC and eudev. The maintainers have a
> fairly anti-systemd stance.

Thanks Rob. Funtoo is next on my list. I failed at my last Funtoo
attempt because I couldn't get a bootloader configured, so I could only
use it by booting with System Rescue CD and chrooting.

So the last couple days I went back and learned more about LILO, and
I'm ready to try Funtoo again. Like Devuan itself, Funtoo has made a
statement that it will never use Systemd.

>
> I am of the belief that sysvinit isn't all that bad, and I'd rather
> use it than learn something new.

:-) Systemctl and Journalctl are old?

But yeah, I know what you mean.

> But I've found OpenRC relatively
> easy to understand and work with.

:-)

Once I get Funtoo working, my first step will be to alt-init using
either Epoch, s6, runit, or Suckless Init + daemontools-encore +
LittKit.

You know, the systemd fanboiz back on Debian-User were right about one
thing: Sysvinit is old, complicated, and a mess. OpenRC *requires*
sysvinit or something very much like it as PID1, and then for process
management substantially reproduces a lot of sysvinit's problems, such
as the init scripts from hell.

Can you imagine a Funtoo box with a really simple init? The ultimate in
repairability.

NOTE: Nothing I said in this email should be construed to be a vote
against Devuan defaulting to sysvinit. Our devs have hundreds of years
of accumulated experience with sysvinit, so sysvinit is the obvious
choice. Those who prefer to alt-init can do so easily, because unlike
systemd distros, the alternate init is a plug replacement, and you
don't need to tear out vast swathes of the former init system.


SteveT

Steve Litt
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