El 16/07/15 a las 09:55, Caleb James DeLisle escribió:
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> But maybe they're right, maybe economics really is easy, maybe all of the
> economists in the world are over-thinking the problem and all we have to do
> is get rid of the state and all will be well. If this is the case, perhaps
> you know of a place which actually did this and where it actually worked.


Actually, yes, I'm going to say USA, but before that, there are many
small countries that are more or less liberal, and the more liberal they
are, the better.
Scientifically, you just can compare the level of socialism with the
level of liberalism, and you'll find without exception that more liberal
countries are leading the top.
In Europe, we have Switzerland as a clear example. We also had a VERY
CLEAR and scientific demonstration of the great differences between
socialist and liberal economics and social politics: the two germanies
before the fall of The Wall. I recommend you to study that if you are so
interested. While in one side of Germany they lived very well, at the
level of the rest of west european countries (except Spain, that had a
socialist dictatorship similar to Hitler for 40 years), the other was
really poor and influenced by the socialism coming from Russia.
You can also look at Russia itself. Don't forget Cuba too, which 50
years ago they had an average incoming per habitant superior to USA and
now they are extremely poor (they earn around $50 a month).
Of course, look at China, in which everything must be negotiated with
the communist party, and while the country itself is the second power in
the world, the people are extremely poor and very much maintained into
very deep ignorance by the control of the media.
And look at Venezuela, while it was a country that was emerging and
going good (with corruption, yes, but improving), it is now loosing 7%
of its economy every year, and has and inflation of 100% anual.
Do you think these examples are evidence enough to support the theory
that socialism not only does not work, but it is an involution in fact?
Do you know of any liberal dictatorship if that is even remotely
possible and how is it going?

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> In the USA, people will answer unequivicolly that it is the USA. This is a
> country where the elite, the 1% of the people controlling 95% of the wealth,
> have established themselves as a de-facto shadow government. Capitalists to
> the core, they have created markets to buy and sell public opinion through
> access to broadcast mediums, markets for the buying and selling of public
> policy and even markets to buy and sell price fixing and non-compete
> agreements... Markets of monopolies.

While I do agree with this, you should compare that kind of shadow
goverment with the shadow goverment of China. This conversation would be
totally imposible in China. You are sent to prison for life for speaking
things like this.
In USA and in Europe, 1% of the population is controlling the other 99%
and not completely because they have the control over the money
production. You change that, and they don't have any kind of control
anymore.

We also have Internet. No matter how much money you put into convincing
people about something, if you have a free internet, they are not buying
it, and lists like this are possible.
If we are truly anarchist, we must be against socialism with all our
forces, otherwise we would be very fool. Socialism without
centralization of power is just impossible at every single level. Forget
about anarchist socialism, it is just impossible and it is a big
manipulation. Socialism perpetuated for many years always end up as
dictatorship. You people in USA haven't learnt this yet because you
haven't been infected much, so you don't know in first person what is to
be truly socialist.


> All this time, the real buying power of employee wages has not budged one
> cent since it froze in 1971, the year Bretton Woods collapsed and Nixon and
> Volcker put together a new economic engine based on borrowing against the
> petro-dollar and actively destabilizing any other asset that anyone might
> want to invest in.

You certainly don't know what you are saying. Compare your freedom
against the freedom of the rest of the society.
I'm not defending our fake democracy, I'm just comparing what is to have
"a little of freedom" to what is to live in a socialist state.
I'd like to unsystem this system as much as you do, but please don't be
confused: socialism is clearly not the solution, but the contrary, it is
a much bigger problem.

> What might be the worst thing is that Paul Volcker, the chief architect of
> this now-defunct monster, finds himself shouted down by the arrogant and
> childish elite which his system created, who now seem to think that he is
> just a raving old man, the petro-dollar is a conspiracy theory and every
> penny of the cash permeating Wall Street is duly earned.

I agree with this. Do you know what is the solution? Bitcoin and MORE
freedom, not less, and not giving more control to the state, which
always happens when socialism arises.

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> If you're looking for Eldorado in the USA, I have sad news.
> Which brings back the question: Where is it?

Then don't come for it to Spain, it is worse.