Hello, I don't usually participate in the list, but as someone that is
affected by these kind of politics, I feel in the obligation of answering.

El 11/07/15 a las 21:53, Amir Taaki escribió:
> my thoughts on this are that we should first get away from the kind of
> isolated thinking, instead understanding the totally of the system we
> live in which possesses & manages capital for the benefit of a
> capitalist class.

I think you are wrong on this. Who is the capitalist class? There are
not such things as capitalist and no capitalist class. We are all either
capitalist or not.
In the very moment there are private business ruling most of the
economy, we are all capitalist.


> secondly that we have to embrace the roughness, that this conveyor belt
> system of neutrality is a pipe dream that we want to tear down.
>
> instead what if we wielded capital and didn't use it to support a
> capitalist class, but instead invested into social enterprises or
> cooperatives that provided their own form of welfare,

This is called socialism.
It has been tried hundreds of times, and there are still countries that
are very socialist. In every single of them, without exception, all
people become poorer.
The reason why that happens is something that is very much inside our
own nature: if somebody gets your money to give it to others, then you
lose the initiative to innovate, to create new business, and therefore
less employment is created, and everything gets in the hands of the state.
If everything gets in the hands of the state, fascism invariably comes.
The state must control prices, and must tell YOU on what to work and
how, otherwise resources wouldn't be enough to cover the minimum
necessities of society. This is exactly what is happening in countless
socialist countries like Venezuela, Russia, and now Greece.




> and drew the
> attention of people inside that work for the benefit of their own
> neighbourhoods and themselves... whereby people work because they enjoy
> what they're doing, where it has a sense of fulfilment rather than blind
> unethical work devoid of value simply only because it pays good.

This is not going to happen, ever.
90% of the works, and 90% of your work most probably, is not about what
you like, but what you must do. Who does like to clean the streets? To
collect the garbage? To make repetitive work in the factories? Or even
not repetitive work but boring work in the office?
This is another reason why socialism always ends up as fascism. As
people are not paid properly but the work must be done, the state must
force the people to work on unpleasant works and force not to protest
and accept "the revolution for the good of society". Just look at China,
that is exactly the problem they have. Read the book "Brave New World",
it is very similar on what socialist countries are becoming.

>
> for me this is the root of the problem in this world. and talk of
> welfare and economics doesn't encompass everything properly.

It does. The best and not so bad economic theory that has been always
worked is liberalism. We are at the point we are and not in the middle
age because of liberalism. Liberalism is also democracy. Socialism
cannot be democracy for many years because people always wake up and
realise about the lies and populism, so they always eventually end up as
dictatorships, look at Cuba, Venezuela, Russia, China, North Korea....

> our societies are devoid of politics, and we need to inject it heavily
> into society like what is happening in rojava.

Be careful about these not-enough weighted thoughts. They have ruined
many many countries already.