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Emne: Re: [unSYSTEM] Happy (Bank) Holidays - Varoufakian Economics and UBI
Amir, I support this general idea, though I hope for a future where we
are empowered to do "a bit" of it all ourselves, developing social
good(s) in a more distributed way...

demonstration here, comments welcomed

https://bytecointalk.org/showthread.php?tid=82

On 07/11/2015 12:53 PM, Amir Taaki wrote:
> my thoughts on this are that we should first get away from the kind
> of isolated thinking, instead understanding the totally of the
> system we live in which possesses & manages capital for the benefit
> of a capitalist class.
>
> secondly that we have to embrace the roughness, that this conveyor
> belt system of neutrality is a pipe dream that we want to tear
> down.
>
> instead what if we wielded capital and didn't use it to support a
> capitalist class, but instead invested into social enterprises or
> cooperatives that provided their own form of welfare, and drew the
> attention of people inside that work for the benefit of their own
> neighbourhoods and themselves... whereby people work because they
> enjoy what they're doing, where it has a sense of fulfilment rather
> than blind unethical work devoid of value simply only because it
> pays good.
>
> for me this is the root of the problem in this world. and talk of
> welfare and economics doesn't encompass everything properly. our
> societies are devoid of politics, and we need to inject it heavily
> into society like what is happening in rojava.
>
> Devon Read:
>> Great summary Caleb, thanks for sharing it
>>
>>>
>>> So if this theory is to be believed, why don't we establish a
>>> trade and currency zone which levies a progressive income tax
>>> and distributes the money to every person in equal measure?
>>>
>>
>> My concern about this suggestion would be that taxes = force,
>> even if they are intended to be used for benevolent purposes.
>>
>>
>>> Finally, if Unconditional Basic Income is actually
>>> economically defensible, could it not be implemented through a
>>> cryptocurrency with an identity management extension?
>>>
>>
>> Yes, i sure think it could be (and also that an unconditional
>> basic income is defensible)
>>
>> Tho i'd argue that the way to create the pool of money needed to
>> give everyone a basic income should be provided through replacing
>> the massive economic activities that the private banks provide
>> with crowd-owned, open source and transparent mechanisms that
>> accomplish the same benevolent goals that those institutions
>> claim they exist for (like an honest, transparent IMF), but with
>> dramatically improved efficiencies and much lower costs.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents
>>
>> Devon
>>
>>
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