On 07/08/2015 06:05 PM, T.J. Duchene wrote:

> The over-reliance on systemd on any form has left things as they are. If vdev can effectively replace udev, rather than offer an alternative that doesn't do everything and is limited, then we break a huge chain holding down not just Devuan but all distributions.

Booting up without SystemD is just starting point. Indeed, one can argue
that that is the trivial case, barely worthy of notice.

The big problem is when what I call consumer/user-only software (^1)
refuses to run, if SystemD is not present. Whilst its easy enough to say
that the user can modify the source code, that assumes that the user is
not only a proficient programmer, but also understands the inner
workings of the code of the program in question, and SystemD, and knows
how to write around the SystemD dependencies. A skill-set that I suspect
few professional programmers have.



^1: Office suite, media player, web browser, email client, PIM, IRC/IM
client, VOIP client, Minesweeper/Solitaire/Tetris;

jonathon