I'm still hoping some of our user friendly non-systemd distributions remain systemd-free.

My main concern is vdev. If Jude can miraculously break the seemingly indestructible spine of systemd, which is technically udev, the whole thing will collapse. Without udev, what hold does systemd even have over GNU/Linux? Kdbus becomes instantly irrelevant and systemd becomes completely an after-though.

Regards,
-Jim
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From: Gregory Nowak<mailto:greg@gregn.net>
Sent: ‎7/‎6/‎2015 6:04 PM
To: dng@???<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: [DNG] systemd in wheezy, was: Re: bummer

On Mon, Jul 06, 2015 at 05:31:26PM -0400, Hendrik Boom wrote:
> I'm running wheezy on my server.
> The only package I have that contain 'systemd' in their names are:
>
> libystemd-login0
>
> I don't find it sneaking other systemd things onto my system when I do
> the usual security upgrades. Maybe if I were to install gnome it might
> be different.
>
> I got rid of libsystemd0 (or whatever it is called) a while ago.
>
> I use sysvinit

Same here. I had libsystemd-login0 installed on all my wheezy boxes,
but was able to remove it from all machines except the one with
gnome. Removing that wanted to also remove dbus, and avahi-daemon,
which I didn't have a problem with.

On the other hand, the box with gnome installed has both
libsystem-daemon0, and libsystemd-login0 automatically
installed. Attempting to remove those would gut a large part of gnome,
so I left them alone. They must have been there for a good while,
perhaps from when I upgraded to wheezy. I keep track of what apt-get
dist-upgrade does on wheezy, and don't recall it suggesting to install
new packages with systemd in there names on wheezy at any time since
jessie became stable.

The fact that gnome on wheezy seems to require libsystemd-daemon0, and
libsystemd-login0 brings up an interesting question. What will happen
when I attempt to upgrade this system to devuan stable? My plan was to
do the upgrade, get rid of the desktop task post-upgrade, and install
xfce. Will that still work?

Greg


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