Hi All,
I've been following this list for a long time. I'm a supporter of open
source and the philosophy around it. I studied programming years ago but as
the work where I live, at the time, was in other areas I moved on to other
things. If one wnated to learn C to contribute to the community what is the
most direct approach? What books would be most relevant? Do those of you
who program use IDEs and if so which? There's an IDE called CODE::BLOCKS
(?) that I've looked and I've read is quite good.
I have a book on C basics, C Primer Plus, that I'll have to work through to
get my mind back into that thought process, but after that where?
JohnJ
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> 1. Re: My experience with Devuan Alpha2 (Ста Деюс)
> 2. Re: My experience with Devuan Alpha2 (Ста Деюс)
> 3. Re: My experience with Devuan Alpha2 (Ста Деюс)
> 4. Re: OT: Terminal application for multitrack audio (was Re:
> Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2)) (Gregory Nowak)
> 5. Re: procps (Franco Lanza)
> 6. Re: procps (Martin Steigerwald)
> 7. Re: procps (Fred DC)
> 8. Re: procps (Martin Steigerwald)
> 9. Re: "Bad" future is coming (Ста Деюс)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:54:59 +0630
> From: Ста Деюс <sthu.deus@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2
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> Доброго времени суток, Eugene.
>
>
> Во Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:17:52 +0000, вы писали:
> > > I like the LXDE/Openbox combo. When I want a start button and
> > > taskbar, I use LXDE with Openbox underneath, so I get that "desktop
> > > environment" feel but have Openbox hotkeys available. When I'm on
> > > my daily driver desktop and don't want all that desktoppy stuff, I
> > > use Openbox, which if configured correctly, is spectacular.
> >
> > Thank you for idea, I think I should try them and understand if they
> > are comfortable for me.
> >
> > I chose Xfce more than 10 years ago, when it was 3.8, that time I was
> > searching lightweight DE and found it (also it's like CDE). A lot of
> > my *nix friends were using "two blacklisted DE" that time.
> >
> > And also I should say respects to XFCE, it didn't became so huge and
> > resourse leaking as they.
>
> You can go even farther by simply using «OpenBox» only. - Do not know
> why «LXDE» exists, but «OB» is pretty OK to configure and use. Even if
> you need start menu button and etc -- there app.s that serve for those
> purposes and only -- being lightweight and doing its the only work well.
>
>
> С уважением,
> Ста.
>
>
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> Message: 2
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 11:57:57 +0630
> From: Ста Деюс <sthu.deus@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2
> Message-ID: <20150704115757.1ae49308@STNset>
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> В Fri, 3 Jul 2015 14:18:17 +0630 Ста Деюс пишет:
>
> > Do you of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions --
> > i.e. makes it possible to login through it while another session is
> > running?
>
> Ah! Missed one word making whole the message vain. The question was:
>
> Do you *know* of any *DE (except GDM, KDM) that supports multisessions
> -- i.e. makes it possible to login through it while another session is
> running? Thank you. - Or two users can have X-sessions at the same time?
>
>
> С уважением,
> Ста.
>
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> Message: 3
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 12:35:07 +0630
> From: Ста Деюс <sthu.deus@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] My experience with Devuan Alpha2
> Message-ID: <20150704123507.65bab1a9@STNset>
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> Доброго времени суток, Hendrik.
>
>
> Спасибо за ответ, Fri, 3 Jul 2015 08:05:40 -0400, вы писали:
> > There's
> > ssh -X
> > which can be directed at localhost.
>
> In this case, how will it look like: first user logins through
> non-GNOME/KDE DE, then, from terminal logins as another user?
>
>
> С уважением,
> Ста.
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2015 23:36:14 -0700
> From: Gregory Nowak <greg@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] OT: Terminal application for multitrack audio (was
> Re: Sound (Was: My experience with Devuan Alpha2))
> Message-ID: <20150704063614.GA31873@???>
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> On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 10:59:06AM -1000, Joel Roth wrote:
> > Not sure what other apps you're looking for on a text
> > console, so I'll put in a mention of Nama, a fairly
> > versatile multitrack DAW that includes a terminal interface.
> >
> > https://freeshell.de/~bolangi/cgi1/nama.cgi/00home.html
> >
> > There is a version packaged for Debian, but way stale,
> > better to install from CPAN or build from github sources.
>
> Neat, I'll have to try that one out, thanks. As for other apps that
> come to mind after perusing my windows box:
> 1. Something like ms-office/libreoffice. Probably the biggest thing
> from that would be something like libreoffice-writer for the CLI. I
> use emacs to type this e-mail for example, but when it comes to
> importing .docx, or exporting .doc, I have to either fire-up gnome, or
> go to the other OS.
>
> 2. Something that can deal with password safes created by password
> safe. There was a program for the CLI in squeeze which could do
> this, but it was discontinued when counterpane labs released
> password safe as open source. This probably means a CLI interface to
> deal with safes created by it could be developed. If there comes a
> day where password safe is the only thing keeping me from dumping
> the other OS, I very well may look into doing that.
>
> 3. Probably the last big one is skype. I could go to the free
> alternatives here, but I know fewer people using those than I do
> who use skype, and they aren't rushing to switch to something else.
>
> Besides the web browser, those are probably the three must-have big
> ones keeping me from going to the CLI. We're probably getting off
> topic for this list though. So, if Joel or anyone else wants to
> discuss this with me farther, we should probably do so privately. Thanks.
>
> Greg
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 08:56:08 +0200
> From: Franco Lanza <nextime@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] procps
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> On Fri, Jul 03, 2015 at 08:40:13PM +0300, Mitt wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm using unstable (Ceres), for quite some time now libprocps4 and thus
> > procps depend on libsystemd0. On stable (Jessie) there is libprocps3
> which
> > does not depend on it.
> >
> > Mitt
> > _______________________________________________
>
>
> So, we need to fork also procps.
>
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 10:26:32 +0200
> From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] procps
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> On Friday 03 July 2015 20:40:13 Mitt wrote:
> > Hi everyone,
> >
> > I'm using unstable (Ceres), for quite some time now libprocps4 and thus
> > procps depend on libsystemd0. On stable (Jessie) there is libprocps3
> > which does not depend on it.
>
> I cannot confirm this:
>
> merkaba:~> apt-cache show procps
> Package: procps
> Version: 2:3.3.10-2
> Installed-Size: 647
> Maintainer: Craig Small <csmall@???>
> Architecture: amd64
> Provides: watch
> Depends: libc6 (>= 2.15), libncurses5 (>= 5.5-5~), libncursesw5 (>=
> 5.6+20070908), libprocps4, libtinfo5, lsb-base (>= 3.0-10), initscripts
> […]
>
> So it seems this is not a *direct* dependency. It may be that some of the
> dependencies depend on libsystemd0.
>
> --
> Martin
>
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> Message: 7
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 10:40:42 +0200
> From: Fred DC <adei@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] procps
> Message-ID: <55979C0A.6050008@mars>
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> On 04/07/2015 10:26, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> >
> > So it seems this is not a *direct* dependency. It may be that some of the
> > dependencies depend on libsystemd0.
> >
> So it is: libprocps4 depends on libsystemd0
>
> Fred
>
>
>
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> Message: 8
> Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2015 11:10:58 +0200
> From: Martin Steigerwald <martin@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] procps
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> Am Samstag, 4. Juli 2015, 10:40:42 schrieb Fred DC:
> > On 04/07/2015 10:26, Martin Steigerwald wrote:
> > > So it seems this is not a *direct* dependency. It may be that some of
> > > the
> > > dependencies depend on libsystemd0.
> >
> > So it is: libprocps4 depends on libsystemd0
>
> *yikes*, I missed this one, as I checked some of the other dependencies.
>
> I bet there is a command to recursively print dependencies, well, yes:
> debtree.
>
> To me it seems that libsystemd0 for some developers is similar to libc and
> I
> don't think that approbiate. I dislike deep dependencies from high-level
> stuff like GNOME parts towards lowlevel stuff like systemd.
>
> KDE/Plasma developers worked at modularizing KDE / Plasma and untangling
> dependencies in it for years now. systemd developers and developers relying
> on systemd functionality seem to do it the other way around creating a huge
> monolithic block between kernel, lowlevel system software and highlevel
> software.
>
> But, well, okay, this then would be another package to fork.
>
> --
> Martin
>
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2015 15:48:26 +0630
> From: Ста Деюс <sthu.deus@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [DNG] "Bad" future is coming
> Message-ID: <20150704154826.3e126694@STNset>
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> Доброго времени суток, Евгений.
>
>
> В Fri, 3 Jul 2015 11:35:07 +0000, вы писали:
> > This is something like "philosophical" post about our future in
> > poettering universe.
> >
> > Working as system administrator, I am thinking about it, because of
> > more and more Linux distributives switching to should-not-be-named
> > daemon.
> >
> > And, of course, servers will be updated in few years, and it becames
> > impossible to avoid using poettering things in everyday work. I can
> > avoid it on my own workstations and servers, but I will be forced to
> > use binary logging in journald, logind and so on if my company
> > updates its servers to new Linux distros.
> > Developers should support new startup schemes and new logging
> > features.
> >
> > My colleagues and friends working with Linux don't think about this as
> > about something bad and strange, a lot of people are able (or are
> > forced) to switch, they talk about it as about something everyday.
>
> I guess we have several options here:
>
> 1. Using LTS Debian that is free from the spyware.
> 2. I hope the time would be sufficient for «Devuan» getting started. --
> Which, if not
> 3. Looking for other solutions for your needs and support those
> solutions.
> 4. Forking necessary solutions, making societies around those spyfree
> solutions.
>
> Personally, i do not believe that whole the globe will participate in
> the spyware of the Enemy country of the globe. -- Of course the Enemy
> country will continue fighting w/ the developers of those solutions,
> but nothing keeps it from being maintained here and there, making it
> difficult or impossible to control free software.
>
> It is life-level question, not the software question. -- To fight
> fashism or become its slaves -- Rus', Russian empire, USSR - could not
> bare the globe protection all the time having little or no support at
> all from the globe -- time has come for the globe to fight at the end
> for itself, itself, or Die.
>
>
> С уважением,
> Ста.
>
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