On 12/06/15 18:34, Marlon Nunes wrote:
> On 2015-06-12 10:03, Steve Litt wrote:
>> On Fri, 12 Jun 2015 07:50:25 -0300
>> Marlon Nunes <nunes@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi, i've been testing connman for a while and found it to handle very
>>> well my network connections.
>>>
>>> https://01.org/connman
>>
>> The following sentence from the preceding link made me sweat a little
>> bit:
>>
>> =====================================================
>> ConnMan is optimized through open source for embedded and client
>> focused Intel® Quark technology, Intel® Atom™ processors and Intel®
>> Core™ processors.
>> =====================================================
>>
>> I'm an AMD guy.
>
> I found it ok just for the fact that its completely independent of
> systemd.
>
>>> https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Connman
>>
>> Those Arch guys are the biggest bunch of systemd jingoists on the
>> planet but you've got to admit, they write far and away the best
>> documentation on the planet.
>
> Their wiki help pages are almost complete.
>
>>>
>>> In my view, we can forget about network-manager completely for
>>> desktop usage.
>>
>> Whether we stay with Wicd, which Devuan Alpha 2 does such a great job
>> with, or switch to ConnMan, either way, you're right: network-manager
>> is too entangled in dbus and systemd to be useful on Devuan, and it
>> also requires you be in X, and that's not always true.
>>
>> I think that whether Wicd or ConnMan is our default network "make it
>> easier machine", it should be easy to switch between the two, and part
>> of that ease could be good documentation.
>>
>> By the way, I was going to answer Bardot Jérôme's query about Devuan
>> Network-Manager similarly: Better to be rid of Network-Manager than to
>> wonder if it's going to drag in systemd on an update. Network-Manager's
>> wonderful for the one use case Debian envisions, but turns into a
>> stumbling block when you go offroad.
>
> That's why a wrote about it. =)
>


I doubt that connman is free of systemd. I was just in the middle of
preparing to compile connman 1.29, and I saw 2 files which are
definitely meant for systemd. And they are in http://git.kernel.org.

http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/tree/src/connman.service.in

[Unit]
Description=Connection service
Requires=dbus.socket
After=dbus.socket
Before=remote-fs-pre.target
Wants=remote-fs-pre.target

[Service]
Type=dbus
BusName=net.connman
Restart=on-failure
ExecStart=@sbindir@/connmand -n
StandardOutput=null

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target


http://git.kernel.org/cgit/network/connman/connman.git/plain/vpn/connman-vpn.service.in

[Unit]
Description=ConnMan VPN service
Requires=dbus.socket
After=dbus.socket

[Service]
Type=dbus
BusName=net.connman.vpn
ExecStart=@sbindir@/connman-vpnd -n
StandardOutput=null

[Install]
WantedBy=multi-user.target


I know that they are harmless. But that tells me the intention to allow
it to be locked-in into systemd. So I always want to remove everything
related to systemd including the unit, service and socket files. I got
the impression that a lot of people find my attempt to do that
ridiculous. But I really don't care :)