I disagree. I learned many moons ago not to necessarily depend on the
distro for HW drivers, and as such don't consider them responsible or
"sucky" because they didn't. I've always thought of it as an added bonus
when they do, which is why I ran Ubuntu on my desktop for years until the
systemd nazis infiltrated. I'm back on Debian, and yes, had to go somewhere
else to grab a few drivers, so big deal? Next stop; Devuan. Looking forward
to it.

It's generally not very difficult to determine chipset/manuf., find the
necessary blob/source and install/configure it - if it exists, or is still
maintained. I also learned how to research purchase options, which is
always a good thing to do regardless.
I see it as a non issue for the folks who will be using Devuan.

I imagine only non-tech desktop users would have problems with it. The same
sort that might like what systemd does for/to them.

SWS
On Jun 3, 2015 1:06 PM, "Laurent Bercot" <ska-devel@???> wrote:

> On 03/06/2015 18:41, hellekin wrote:
>
>> *** I must I was almost agreeing until "moralistic crap". This is
>> your opinion, and in my own, an unfounded one. What we're talking
>> about here is about technology, not moralistic anything.
>>
>> The technology we're building is one that empowers the user, and it
>> is arguable whether considering the imposition of
>> freedom-restricting technology empowers the use or not. The case is
>> hardware that the user buys and that refuses to work without secret
>> code from the company.
>>
>
> Well, when the user buys such a piece of hardware, he is *already*
> disempowered. If he (gender chosen by flipping a coin) is technical
> enough to perform the Devuan driver installation, chances are he already
> knows the kind of hardware he has; and what he now wants is to get the
> damn thing working, not get blamed because his hardware sucks. He knows.
> He's probably not the decision-maker - think technical people in
> companies. He probably did not vote for that hardware but got overruled.
> Adding insult to injury by lecturing him is unnecessarily aggravating.
>
> There is a place and time for everything, including freedom advocacy.
> I am all for advocating the use of decent hardware and for throwing
> locked in crap into the garbage can. I wish hardware manufacturers
> would understand the benefits of open specifications. I wholeheartedly
> support advocacy campaigns, including naming and shaming the worst
> hardware offenders.
> But machine installation is not the time for advocacy. The decision
> has already been made, and at that point, telling users that it sucks
> isn't going to help anyone, it's just going to make the distribution
> look bad.
>
> --
> Laurent
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