On 2015-05-23 15:21, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Sat, 23 May 2015 07:29:56 +0000
> toki <toki.kantoor@???> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 23/05/2015 05:18, James Powell wrote:
>> > True, but developers are banding together to resist this as well,
>> > and fork projects as needed.
>>
>> But what happens when one has to fork everything from Firefox to
>> Enkive to Hadoop to Tryton?
>
> In a word, boycott.
>
> Xfce is starting to get too entangled, so I use Openbox. If Openbox
> gets snared, I'll go to dwm. If firefox becomes entangled, I'll move to
> xxxterm or one of the other "light" browsers. If those get entangled,
> I'll use a text browser for most things, and a containerized GUI
> browser for the remainder.
>
> We work with free software, and pay no money for it, but maintaining
> *our* standards for what goes on our boxes is anything but free. We,
> and I mean we as a user community, not necessarily we as a distro, need
> to scale back our expectations, work harder, be more innovative, be
> flexible in changing our work habits to accommodate less-dependencied
> software. The person who "simply must" work a certain way and will not
> consider changing to adapt when his pet software goes entangled, will
> not survive in owner-maintainable software, and must join those who
> gleefully add locked computers to their locked phones.
>
> You know when I knew Devuan had it right? When Devuan declined to
> support Gnome. Declined to jump through ever increasing hoops to
> depoetterize ever more sabotaged software, but instead basically said
> "hey, if you're so in love with Gnome that it's a must have, then
> Devuan is the wrong place for you."
>
> If Tryton demands systemd, find a different ERP. If Hadoop demands
> systemd, find a different big data system. If Firefox (which isn't the
> the most stable program anyway) requires systemd, use xxxterm or
> whatever. If Enkive requires systemd, find something else to do
> whatever email machinations Enkive does. And when I say "different", I
> specifically include commercially licensed software, because vendor
> lockin is vendor lockin, whether by contract or by complexity ruling
> out owner maintenance. If it weren't for PC-BSD, Manjaro-OpenRC and
> Devuan, I'd be using a Mac today. Once I can't fix/modify my own
> possessions, does it really matter whether it's free software or not?
>
> If every consumer walked away from bad deals like systemd requirements,
> such bad deals would wither on the vine. We've come together as a
> community to make a systemd-free distro. That's half the job. The other
> half is each of us, as consumers, saying goodbye to those programs that
> decide it would be [hip|easier|necessary] to enmesh with V'jer. If
> enough of us do that and publicise it enough, "upstreams" might think
> twice before walking happily into their assimilation.
>
> By the way, for that one app that's absolutely business critical with
> absolutely no substitute, the consumer can use a container, so we
> don't have to put ourselves out of business to do this.
>
> SteveT
>
> Steve Litt
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There are also lxqt (which uses openbox as their WM).
http://lxqt.org/
http://lxqt.org/images/screenshots/plasma.png
no sign of systemd.

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