I think Patrick means unless systemd becomes 100% unavoidable as a dependency. However as replacement software is made available this will lessen.

Currently we still use udev-classic and ConsoleKit with little else, but as KDE/Plasma5 is being looked at, things are being considered.

Runit is nice, but not without it's problems. We tried to import it to LFS, and did so with moderate success. We did have to import ArchIgnite's init clone tools as init-shim for our project. Our scripts were very alpha grade, to just "get it working", but we did prove it viable.

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________________________________
From: Steve Litt<mailto:slitt@troubleshooters.com>
Sent: ‎5/‎20/‎2015 2:45 PM
To: dng@???<mailto:dng@lists.dyne.org>
Subject: Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?

Runit rocks! IMHO it's one of the very best init systems, and I doubt
it would be difficult for a Devuan end user to retrofit with runit.

I don't know Patrick's or Devuan's opinion of the http://unlicense.org/
style Public Domain, but if it's acceptable, Epoch, while not quite as
full featured as runit, is a dead-bang easy way to add another init to
your system.

These two init systems are much easier to add to uncontaminated distros
like Slackware and Devuan.

SteveT

Steve Litt
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On Wed, 20 May 2015 21:25:51 +0000
James Powell <james4591@???> wrote:

> Currently work is being made to offer alternatives to sysvinit in
> Slackware such as OpenRC and Runit, as they are the most complete
> init replacement systems. Work has been slow in progress, but there
> are solid efforts to bring offerings around over at LinuxQuestions.
> We have been met with resistance, but so far, we are still somewhat
> active in the efforts.
>
> To: james4591@???; dng@???
> Subject: RE: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?
> From: yvesjv@???
> Date: Thu, 21 May 2015 05:28:46 +1000
>
> Hi James,
> Thanks for the info.
>
> Keeping Slack stable is the reason why some have picked this
> excellent distro instead of a bsd during the mass migration away from
> the systemd/Debian debacle. Sure hope the same fiasco that occurred
> with systemd/Debian does not happen with Slack in future.
>
> IMHO, that would be very destructive to Slackware :-(
>
>
> Thanks again and keep slacking.
>
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "James Powell" <james4591@???>
> To:"Anto" <aryanto@???>, <yvesjv@???>,
> <dng@???> Cc:
> Sent:Tue, 19 May 2015 14:18:40 -0700
> Subject:RE: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?
>
>
>
> Hey guys, let me clarify the Slackware position on systemd.
>
>
> Patrick has no intent on enforcing the usage of systemd upon
> Slackware and it's users unless it becomes an unavoidable issue. So
> far, this has not been the case in the slightest, and we doubt it
> will be. Slackware intends to keep the bsd-stylized sysvinit
> implementation.
>
>
> Packages do have some systemd files for systemd systems, but because
> all packages in Slackware try to stay as vanilla as possible to
> "./configure && make && make install" methodology. You are free to
> remove them after-the-fact, or modify the Slackbuild scripts to
> remove them during the package construction stages.
>
>
> There is a systemd experimental repackage of Slackware called
> Dlackware by a package developer named bartgymnast, but while the
> repack is specific to systemd, it is unsupported, unofficial, and
> still considered unstable in build.
>
>
> I hope this clarifies this.
>
>
> Sent from my Windows Phone
>
>
> From:
> Anto
> Sent:
> ‎5/‎19/‎2015 12:14 PM
> To:
> yvesjv@???;
> dng@???
> Subject:
> Re: [Dng] Slackware systemd creepin in maybe?
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 19/05/15 20:31, yvesjv@??? wrote:
>
> >
>
> > Hi Anto,
>
> >
>
> > From your posts it appears that you are doing a lot of work
> > cleaning
>
> > up these packages.
>
> >
>
> > Apologies if I've missed a previous post as I think it would be
>
> > extremely helpful to all interested if you documented your
> > invaluable
>
> > work on a wiki of sorts?
>
> >
>
> > Perhaps more could assist with the cleanups :-)
>
> >
>
> >
>
> > Thanks
>
> >
>
>
> Yes, it has been quite a lot of work for me, especially due to the
> lack
>
> of my skills in the programming and Debian packaging as I am just an
>
> ordinary user. So what I have been doing is basically trial and
> error :)
>
>
> Change something, re-compile, revert back when fails, again and again
>
> until the packages get successfully compiled. But that is not the end
> of
>
> it. The installation of the packages that have been successfully
>
> compiled are not always smooth. I broke my install several times. But
> I
>
> didn't spend time to troubleshoot, again due to the lack of my
> skills.
>
> After taking some logs and notes on something which I thought might
> be
>
> related to the changes that I made. I put back the disk image which I
>
> always take before any installation, then start all over again :)
>
>
> So I think that is quite embarrassing, especially for Devuan (for me,
> I
>
> don't really care) if that kind of process would be documented some
>
> where on Devuan site :)
>
>
> I have leant a lot by reading the commits on Devuan gitlab,
> especially
>
> the ones with the title related to "removing systemd" like
> https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/dbus/commit/2ebb243f3fa51790d93e7f21a11dca324df6b0fd,
>
> https://git.devuan.org/packages-base/network-manager/commit/665eb3cb32e9ca3f4294f783375e4118d9b78427
>
>
> and many others.
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
> Anto
>
>
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