On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 11:12:46PM +0100, KatolaZ wrote:
> On Tue, May 05, 2015 at 05:34:19PM -0400, Miles Fidelman wrote:
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> > >I meant "we should live with the fact that systemd is not unpluggable"
> > >:)
> >
> > Nicely put. But do you draw any implication from that vis-a-vis
> > supporting systemd in Devuan? (I certainly do :-)
> >
>
> If it was up to me (and it is not), I would make no effort at all in
> trying to have systemd in Devuan, since I believe there is no point in
> doing that. There is already a Debian with systemd, and is called
> Debian, while some great people out there are working hard to give us
> a Debian *without* systemd, which will be called Devuan. And the work
> of those people has been made extremely difficult by the fact that
> systemd is not designed to be pluggable on and off, and the systemd
> developers keep answering "won't fix" to any request for compatibility
> with other init system and low-level system daemons. They are
> definitely determined to go their way, whatever the cost of it,
> because they think that systemd is "right and technically sound".
>
> So why should we waste man-power on allowing to use systemd in a
> distribution whose first aim and motivation is to provide a
> systemd-free GNU/Linux?!?!?

Nor should we waste manpower making it extra difficult for anyone to
use systemd on Devuan. They'll have a hard enough time already, and we
do too.

-- hendrik

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