On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 1:41 PM, shraptor shraptor <shraptor@???>
wrote:

> But I guess there is no obstacle to for instance run vdev with systemd,
> huh?
>

There shouldn't be. However, someone will have to write a .service file
for it.

-Jude


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> On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Jaromil <jaromil@???> wrote:
>
>>
>> dear Noel,
>>
>> I'm happy that you are back, we really miss DWN, but I'm also sorry to
>> contradict you on this one.
>>
>> On Tue, 05 May 2015, Noel Torres wrote:
>> > As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your
>> > distribution, and will always be. But if you want a system designed to
>> > be unable to run systemd, please leave us. This is not the place for
>> > such an anti-freedom POV.
>>
>> perhaps we could say it was to simplify the transition, but in operating
>> on packages so far we have removed systemd and the possibility to run it
>> on Devuan, which is now as far as that of running sysvinit on Debian for
>> normal users. This is more of a consequence of how Debian imposed
>> systemd than a deliberate choice from our side. I personally agree with
>> your line about init-freedom, but less agree with the line of telling
>> people this is not their place especially if they look for a
>> systemd-free system for whatever reason they have.
>>
>> At the inception of Devuan we have analysed the tradeoff of keeping
>> systemd optional and thought it was too much work in a direction we
>> weren't interested: we recommend Debian as the system of choice for
>> those wanting to have systemd crippl*cough*cough*manage their computers.
>>
>> As simple as this, the result is that there is no option to have systemd
>> in Devuan now and the simpliest way to have it would be anyway to use
>> Debian. I'm not sure it will be ever a priority to get systemd back as
>> optional for Devuan. Perhaps init-freedom is really realized by a
>> plurality of distributions and if there is a merit for Devan is still
>> that of preserving this freedom by providing an OS that is open to every
>> init system *but systemd* since the latter does exclude anyone else by
>> an enormous network of dependencies. In the future we'll invest efforts
>> in supporting sysvinit and more init systems our there (OpenRC, DMD
>> etc.) thus we'll be a bit more "universal" than Debian.
>>
>> Again personally I think that is an arrogant move today for any OS to
>> declare itself "universal" as init-freedom and more freedom in the
>> future is really realized by a plurality of distributions, a lesson we
>> learn from this fork perhaps.
>>
>> ciao
>>
>>
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