But I guess there is no obstacle to for instance run vdev with systemd, huh?

On Tue, May 5, 2015 at 7:33 PM, Jaromil <jaromil@???> wrote:

>
> dear Noel,
>
> I'm happy that you are back, we really miss DWN, but I'm also sorry to
> contradict you on this one.
>
> On Tue, 05 May 2015, Noel Torres wrote:
> > As a resume: If you want a systemd-free system, Devuan is your
> > distribution, and will always be. But if you want a system designed to
> > be unable to run systemd, please leave us. This is not the place for
> > such an anti-freedom POV.
>
> perhaps we could say it was to simplify the transition, but in operating
> on packages so far we have removed systemd and the possibility to run it
> on Devuan, which is now as far as that of running sysvinit on Debian for
> normal users. This is more of a consequence of how Debian imposed
> systemd than a deliberate choice from our side. I personally agree with
> your line about init-freedom, but less agree with the line of telling
> people this is not their place especially if they look for a
> systemd-free system for whatever reason they have.
>
> At the inception of Devuan we have analysed the tradeoff of keeping
> systemd optional and thought it was too much work in a direction we
> weren't interested: we recommend Debian as the system of choice for
> those wanting to have systemd crippl*cough*cough*manage their computers.
>
> As simple as this, the result is that there is no option to have systemd
> in Devuan now and the simpliest way to have it would be anyway to use
> Debian. I'm not sure it will be ever a priority to get systemd back as
> optional for Devuan. Perhaps init-freedom is really realized by a
> plurality of distributions and if there is a merit for Devan is still
> that of preserving this freedom by providing an OS that is open to every
> init system *but systemd* since the latter does exclude anyone else by
> an enormous network of dependencies. In the future we'll invest efforts
> in supporting sysvinit and more init systems our there (OpenRC, DMD
> etc.) thus we'll be a bit more "universal" than Debian.
>
> Again personally I think that is an arrogant move today for any OS to
> declare itself "universal" as init-freedom and more freedom in the
> future is really realized by a plurality of distributions, a lesson we
> learn from this fork perhaps.
>
> ciao
>
>
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