Sorry, for my input here, but the title says nothing but laughable bullshit. There is no evidence anywhere scientific or not that being anti-systemd makes you a woman hater. I'm anti-systemd and have been happily married for 12 years.

This seems more of a spin mastering by radicals wanting to push systemd and make the opposition seem to be the bad guys. This actually sounds like the same Lennart brown-noser who publishes a FreeBSD hate blog called "The Truth about BSD".

The only thing we do "hate" is the constant pandering of bullshit coming from the pro-systemd crowd and the constant rhetoric we face regarding sound and sane projects being cancelled, forcibly deprecated without merit or reason, and continual parading of hipsterisms and low brow tactics coming from the systemd cabal, while the rest of the community is being forced to fork deprecated projects to revive them for our own usage.

In short... nobody wants, likes, or is willing to tolerate cheap hipster fadware. We all know still how bad certain software has been and still continues to be from the systemd authors. Udev still has a host of problems with rules and duplication issues of auto-generated rules conflicting each other, and systemd still has it's hiccups and crashes, especially with journalled file systems like JFS, EXT4, BTRFS, etc. where the system hangs during halt phases and the system is still executing code while the shutdown sequence is trying to move on resulting is an improperly dismounted file system during shutdown that causes massive corruption to systemd-journald's binary logs. Plus, on top of that Lennart and crew have been reluctant to admit there is a problem and been willing to fix it.

(To be perfectly honest we actually found a fix on Slackware and LFS both to correct journalled file systems improperly shutting down (such as JFS) during writebacks using sysvinit, runit, etc. by using procps-ng's pkill application in conjunction with sv, killall5, etc. by executing killall5 or sv (in the kill mode) first, then turning around and running pkill to collapse the remainder of the process tree exiting all processes before the /(root) file system is remounted in read-only mode. If this was available to systemd it would fix everything, but Lennart keeps his fingers in his ears going "La-la-la!!!" when he's been told of the issue numerous times and a plethora of patches and fixes submitted and expunged and banned from the tree.)

My 2 cents, but this stupidity has gone on for far too long. I am getting to the point that we need a full split of the Linux community, possibly even the kernel, or have people who want a Microsoft-like GNU OS (which seems to be the ultimate goal of systemd to mimic svchost) to go help develop and promote ReactOS more. Enough seriously, is getting to be enough with these people.

Sorry for the rant, but damn,

Jim

> Date: Sat, 2 May 2015 15:49:51 -0700
> From: ibid.ag@???
> To: trillodllhell@???
> CC: dng@???; linux-kernel@???
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Debian Dev: anti-systemd people hate women; thus respectable people should not support anti-systemd stance.
>
> Well, I'll comment on a couple points, since the material you quoted
> is rather misleading at best.
>
> Full disclosure:
> My only associations with the VUA are (1) subscribing to this list;
> (2) using the devuan repositories, and (3) having an account on the
> devuan gitlab, which I have only used to mirror a single repository
> containing packaging for mdev.
> I have used Debian and Ubuntu in the past, but I was only active in
> the Debian User Forums, the Ubuntu Forums, and on Launchpad (I have
> not been involved in Debian development beyond commenting on/filing
> a very few bug reports, but would be technically capable, as I've
> had a couple PPAs).
> I am also involved in multiple unrelated projects where the community
> is decidedly opposed to systemd (musl, busybox, toybox, puppy), and
> in one where there are multiple technical barriers to using systemd
> (Alpine Linux: grsec is the default kernel, musl is the libc).
>
> * The laptop "for a developer" (pieced together from personal knowledge
> and comments here):
> Dima Krasner (Iguleder on the Puppy Linux forums) describes himself
> as an "independent R&D freelancer"; he has done a lot of work related
> to Puppy Linux, including Debian-based editions of Puppy.
> He was *not* one of the original "VUAs" or other participants in
> the fork process.
> His latest project before Devuan was announced was a vaguely Puppy-like
> independent distro, built from source for i486/32 megabyte systems
> (it may have been 20 megabytes minimum):
> in other words, aimed at *bare minimum* hardware.
> I can't tell for sure what hardware he had, but I would be rather
> surprised if it was significantly over 1.6 GHz (based on the minimal
> specs he was aiming at).
> As soon as the Devuan fork announcement was out, he started working on
> a stub library, then came up with a shim to use software compiled for
> logind with consolekit2 (loginkitd)
> The most productive approach for testing system software is to fire
> up a vm, which can be *extrememly* slow with limited hardware.
> Possibly for this reason, the VUAs agreed to get him a new laptop for
> testing and development of loginkitd.
>
> * MikeeeUSA:
> There have been occasional posts from some individuals which
> resembled MikeeeUSA's rants.
> Said individuals have been flamed, banned, or possibly ignored; the
> first such poster accused the list in general of being SJWs, and
> tried to flame me when I requested that he moderate his language,
> saying that the New Testament was feminist. (In case you don't see
> the irony, I'm a Pentecostal/Fundamentalist Christian, and am
> generally disgusted with most feminists...and all MRAs.)
>
> There have also been some posts in "technical" threads directing
> vulgarities at systemd and its supporters as such; the reaction to
> these has varied from ignoring or *lightly* criticizing them to
> full agreement. Personally, I wish that this would stop: obscenity
> says litle beyond who the speaker is, especially about the target,
> though perhaps it's excusable to acknowledge the stupidity that
> some code has. (Insult the *code* if needed; not the coder, and even
> more certainly not the users.) I try to delete mails and threads that
> end up like this.
>
> Thanks,
> Isaac Dunham
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