>Author: Martijn Dekkers
>Date: 2015-04-08 00:35 -400
>To: dng@???
>Subject: Re: [Dng] dev-list
 >Personally, my view is that there is no cost or significant effort to the
>project for splitting to -dev and -user. Those who are not interested in
>either of these lists don't have to subscribe, and don't have to deal with
>whatever it is they don't want to deal with. Gentle moderation becomes
>possible. "systemd is evil"? "debian sucks"? "I don't know how to >configure
>my WLAN card I bought on a flea market in Morocco 15 years ago for 2
>Euro"? - take it to -user.
"Systemd is evil" and "Debian sucks" aren't part of a mature discussion for a budding OS.  And I'm having trouble figuring out why devs would want to burrow down into a hole to produce a system for a community that could potentially be as reactionary and mean-spirited as that to which they claim to be opposed.
Instead of "gentle moderation", how about gently leading by example and making it clear this isn't the place for attacks on or blanket complaints about other OSes or software?
-Jonathan

     On Thursday, April 9, 2015 7:07 AM, Jaromil <jaromil@???> wrote:

On April 9, 2015 8:20:19 AM GMT+01:00, Martijn Dekkers <devuan-list1@???> wrote:

>I am neither the first, nor will I be the last, to ask for a -dev list.

a -Dev list is there already, just not public and invite only. Even the take over of the Kremlin was done by leaving the hangry mob outside of its gates.


>> *** I see another two groups: people who want to work together and
>build
>> something different that won't end up in an isolated technical
>committee
>> in their ivory towers, and bullies.

we don't have towers, we have expertise and devs capable of recognizing it...


>You know what hellekin - you post from a dyne.org email address, and
>from
>the way you write you put yourself forward as one of the people running
>the
>project. Frankly, I am really not all that happy with your attitude,
>and as
>you represent dyne.org, I have no option but to assume this to be
>representative of the project leads in general.

...and obviously you are not able to recognize it.

FWIW this public list is enough for now and I doubt we will open the Dev list to anyone without invites and after knowing each other. We have enough troubles with this and systemd fraudsters running a twitter account that presumes everything written on this public board is what Devuan says.

kthxbye Martin

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