All good points. However, having a -dev list really does have some
significant benefits.

- Firstly, as already mentioned, it allows for the chatter to be separated
from the work.
- Secondly, it allows for aggregating commit and update messages from
gitlab, jenkins, the infrastructure at large etc. which will be simply
noise to most of the non-devs.
- Thirdly, nobody is barred from joining the dev list if they want to keep
up to date with the technical minutiae should they want to.

Personally, my view is that there is no cost or significant effort to the
project for splitting to -dev and -user. Those who are not interested in
either of these lists don't have to subscribe, and don't have to deal with
whatever it is they don't want to deal with. Gentle moderation becomes
possible. "systemd is evil"? "debian sucks"? "I don't know how to configure
my WLAN card I bought on a flea market in Morocco 15 years ago for 2
Euro"? - take it to -user.

The flip side is those that say "don't split the lists" - there again is no
significant cost to subscribing to both both lists, and follow and
participate in both lists if they so wish. It isn't so much a segregation
of a community, it is a segregation of topics - and a long standing,
wide-ranging implementation pattern in the wider open-source community at
that.

This isn't the first call for separate lists, so there clearly is a
(strong) desire for this from some people. Given that there is neither a
cost nor an insurmountable issue with doing so, it is hard to see why not.


On 8 April 2015 at 04:04, Jude Nelson <judecn@???> wrote:

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> suggest that Pottering is evil,
>>
>
> Definitely looking forward to this stopping. Seriously, it's not
> Lennart's fault that Debian decided to switch to systemd. If you want to
> blame anyone for this, blame the CTTE, the DDs who voted against init
> freedom in the GR, and the systemd fanbois who poisoned the well on the
> discussion.
>
> Neither Lennart, Red Hat, nor systemd drove me to Devuan. The Debian
> leadership and the greater Debian community did.
>
> -Jude
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