On Mon 06 April 2015 10:06:49 KatolaZ wrote:
> On Mon, Apr 06, 2015 at 11:46:45AM +0300, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> > > What really puzzles me is why if you love systemd that much you just
> > > continue arguing about systemd on the ML of a Debian fork specifically
> > > born to throw systemd away. Do you think you might be able to convince
> > > us that systemd is *good* and *beautiful* and *necessary*? I don't
> > > want to be saved, thanks ;)
> >
> > Looks to me like he isn't arguing for systemd, but he is just discussing
> > systems designs and implementation. Also looks to me like he is simply
> > keeping an open mind, and not getting swept away in hate either way....
>
> ...while I am getting swept away in hate? :) I admit I like very much
> your point about some of the systemd-nonsense tolls being potentially
> useful and interesting.
>
> What I don't like is that fact that these interesting bits are just
> part of a monolithic, messy, obscure, hard-to-maintain and hard-to-use
> spaghetti-implementation that openly targets at managing the whole
> system. And (call me paranoid) I don't like the fact that the
> development of the systemd-nonsense is effectively led by RedHat, who
> has a lot of interest in having "one ring to rule them all", and is
> managed by people who answer "troll" and "wontfix" to questions and
> bug reports, in line with the worst commercial-Unix policies of the
> late eighties. We have been freed once from such nonsense, so why
> should we come back?
>
> IMHO, there is no wonderful bag of technical novelties which can
> justify a flawed design, incarnated in a flawed implementation,
> pursued for flawed aims by a bunch of people who effectively act and
> behave like they have the right answer for everithing, while the rest
> is just garbage. Call this "hate" if this let you feel any better :)
>
> My2Cents
>
> KatolaZ

Please by all means avoid "friendly fire" towards shots you hear in front of
you - it's not the enemy, it's just your peers, we're all looking (and
fighting) same direction.

BR
/j