I support Nuno.

+1

On 22.03.2015 13:53, Nuno Magalhães wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2015 at 7:24 AM, T.J. Duchene <t.j.duchene@???> wrote:
>> What I said was at some point Devuan will probably have to support systemd's
>> API, in order to support upstream projects that actually require systemd.
>
> Why?
>
> Biggest example: GNOME (now) requires systemd. I don't want systemd,
> so, i won't use GNOME. If i want either, i'll use Debian, not Devuan.
>
> I don't understand this sheeple need to do what everybody else does,
> indded it's redmondesque. If you want that, go use another distro,
> there are hundreds out there who are doing what everybody else does.
> Use Ubuntu, it's fashionable and Debian-like.
>
> This particular distro, at least it seems to me, was born to *avoid*
> lock-ins like systemd. Or stuff that depends on lock-ins like systemd,
> which makes it [the dependant stuff] locked-in as well. Call it
> another kind of GPL thing if you will, systemd is becoming a UNIX™.
> Back then, GNU came along and created free versions (minus the
> kernel); nowaways, there's systemd™, and here's Devuan.
>
> So far the most sensible approach of established distros, to me, has
> been that of gentoo (which i'm currently exploring): they use OpenRC
> by default, but you're free to use systemd _if_ you want[1]. *That* is
> freedom of choice and i sincerely hope they won't succumb to the
> pressure. Since Debian didn't go that way (a sad surprise considering
> what i thought Debian was), here's Devuan.
> (I'm not considering Slackware at the moment 'cos Mr Volkerding hasn't
> been specific, he's wait-and-see-ing apparently.)
>
> Devuan's not at established distro and the purpose has been, from the
> beginning, to avoid lock-ins. You're free to package upstart or some
> other non-intrusive init system for Devuan, i'm sure the VUA won't
> mind, and then there'll be the choice between two "unlocked" init
> systems (implicitly calling systemd an init system is an
> understatement). But i don't see systemd in the Devuan universe -
> that'll completely defeat the purpose. Will avoiding systemd cause
> more work? Definitely. But what's the rush? Release when ready.
>
> My 0.02
>
> Cheers,
> Nuno
>
> [1] https://wiki.gentoo.org/wiki/Handbook:AMD64/Installation/Base#Optional:_Using_systemd
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