Hi Anto,

I think the plan is to make the installation of all systemd components
optional. The packages in git.devuan.org that are cloned from Debian's
sources have build flags set automatically to compile out systemd
dependencies, for example.

If you're wondering what's pulling in libsystemd0 in your above example,
you could run "aptitude why libsystemd0" to find out what's pulling it in.
If it's a package in Devuan pulling it in, please let us know!

-Jude

On Tue, Mar 17, 2015 at 4:00 PM, Anto <aryanto@???> wrote:

> Hello Everybody,
>
> I know that Devuan is not even at the alpha release yet. So I don't have
> any intention at all here, to ask the nasty question about the release
> date. Everybody involved in Devuan development are already really busy, so
> it is really evil to ask that.
>
> Some questions came up in my mind on the first day I found Devuan. A few
> minutes ago I have just tried to switch to Devuan repository. And those
> questions came up again after I saw especially libsystemd0 and
> init-system-helpers on the output below. That didn't actually surprise me
> as I am quite sure that Devuan development is still in progress. So this
> will happen until the initial release of Devuan. But I think I still have
> to ask the questions.
>
> Will Devuan be really free from systemd and its components? Or will there
> be trade-off being applied so that some of systemd components will be used
> in Devuan?
>
> Kind regards,
>
> Anto
>
> root@v01:/# apt-get update
> Hit http://apt.devuan.org jessie InRelease
> Hit http://apt.devuan.org jessie/main i386 Packages
> Ign http://apt.devuan.org jessie/main Translation-en_US
> Ign http://apt.devuan.org jessie/main Translation-en
> Reading package lists... Done
> root@v01:/#
> root@v01:/# apt-get -u dist-upgrade
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> Calculating upgrade... The following packages were automatically installed
> and are no longer required:
> libgd2-xpm libice6 libmagickcore5 libmagickwand5 libsm6 libxt6 x11-common
> Use 'apt-get autoremove' to remove them.
> Done
> The following NEW packages will be installed:
> init-system-helpers libapparmor1 libestr0 libfftw3-double3 libjson-c2
> liblogging-stdlog0 liblognorm1 libmagickcore-6.q16-2 libmagickwand-6.q16-2
> libsystemd0 libudev1 openssh-sftp-server
> php5-json startpar
> The following packages will be upgraded:
> anacron at bsdutils consolekit cron dbus dmsetup dpkg dpkg-dev
> initscripts libaccountsservice0 libck-connector0 libdbus-glib-1-2
> libdevmapper1.02.1 libdpkg-perl libgnutls-deb0-28
> libgnutls-openssl27 libpam-ck-connector libpolkit-gobject-1-0 logrotate
> openssh-client openssh-server php5-cli php5-common php5-fpm php5-gd
> php5-imagick php5-sqlite rsyslog ssh sysv-rc
> sysvinit sysvinit-utils udev uuid-runtime
> 35 upgraded, 14 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Need to get 19.6 MB of archives.
> After this operation, 21.3 MB of additional disk space will be used.
> Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n
> Abort.
> root@v01:/#
>
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