> I was derided and attacked earlier in Debian Fora

why am i not surprised? -_-

- Gravis


On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 7:44 PM, <miroslav.rovis1@???> wrote:
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
>> **Looks around**
>>
>> Full moon tonight?
>
> Well, I don't respond in kind. I was derided and attacked earlier in
> Debian Fora, but my topics and my tips ended up being read and
> followed. And they are in Gentoo Fora.
>
> I'd just point to two kind posts related to my work by golinux which I
> mentioned in my first post, and who I greet with respect again, and
> which I related to devuan, which, like many of you, I do pin a lot of my
> hopes on:
>
> Topic: devuan
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=119155&p=564686#p564686
>
> How to Remove Systemd and Related Packages from Your Debian
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=118197&start=15#p564494
>
> But of most concern to me, is about what I'd like to contribute, which I
> believe I'll be able to do, barring my health getting poorer yet and
> enmity in my surrounding getting harsher yet...
>
> (the enmity surrounding explained in the previous message, the first
> one, also contained below, and seen here:
> https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150305.175104.c6924211.en.html
> and BTW every single link is live in my message at this time.),
>
> [But my concern is about what I'd like to contribute], just like I
> contributed to Debian which has now crippled itself with the
> windozing/poetterizing and is now not a place to be...
>
> I still hope someone can try and figure that those thousands of views of
> my tips may not be a fruit of what Martijn Dekkers suggests.
>
> And I saw, belatedly, and in bottom of my:
>
>> > Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux
>> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616
>
> (the very last post) tip you can read why I wasn't able to follow earlier...
>
> And I saw, belatedly, and read most of it, the few discussions on dbus,
> and I only want to say that an opt-out of dbus is needed, and it has
> been attainable in Debian, thanks to Thorsten mirabilos Glasier and his work.
>
> It is workable as I demonstated here:
>
> How to Remove Systemd and Related Packages from Your Debian
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=118197&start=15
>
> (and that is a repeated link)...
>
> I count dbus in poetterware-related. You don't have to. I do. Pls. allow
> for that option!
>
> My take on it you can have also here:
>
> Updating and keeping your Gentoo non-poeterized
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1012022.html
>
> Just my new sig in bottom, no more new stuff in this message.
>> On 5 March 2015 at 19:51, <miroslav.rovis1@???> wrote:
>>
>> > I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation.
>> >
>> > But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few links of
>> > my tips, user-to-user (I'm not an expert and I'm just a fraction of a
>> > programmer if at all), [user-to-user] tips:
>> >
>> > Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux
>> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616
>> >
>> > How to Remove Systemd and Related Packages from Your Debian
>> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=118197
>> >
>> > How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?
>> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=116770
>> >
>> > And I'll stick one link below exactly where there is a special line, in
>> > this
>> > thread I'm replying to, that touched a nerve in my guts.
>> >
>> > But I am more of a Gentoo user still (since 2008, Debian since 2013 I
>> > think).
>> > Such as:
>> >
>> > Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
>> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268.html
>> >
>> > Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats)
>> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html
>> >
>> > I'm not giving you those links for no reason. While I am not a
>> > programmer, or am just minimally one, I have extensive user (of late it
>> > has become advanced user) experience with censorship and even
>> > surveillance that a user, in a country ruled by a regime, is exposed to
>> > (have unveiled it for everybody to see, and will give another two links
>> > below exactly where there is a special line that touched a nerve in my
>> > guts).
>> >
>> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:28:59AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
>> > > Nik, please remove yourself from the mailing list.
>> > > --Gravis
>> > Completely wrong, as attitude and even as merely a wish! Somebody stated
>> > elsewhere in these few days on this list: it's free software, and it's
>> > open source! Contrary from banning other people's opinions, we must
>> > allow them.
>> >
>> > I agree completely with Nick, but I won't jump on you
>> > Gravis, as I don't jump on some Gentoo members who, well, support NSA,
>> > and troll against me... I'll let them like SELinux, Google and other
>> > stuff which I despise! As long as they let me tell other members what I
>> > think and suggest of SELinux, Google and stuff! And tell what I advise
>> > that they use and generally do!
>> >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <dr.klepp@???>
>> > wrote:
>> > > > Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb Gravis:
>> > > >> > Here is just one example of what I am referring to.
>> > > >> >
>> > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
>> > > >>
>> > > >> yeah, if you actually read the article you will learn that google
>> > > >> (like everyone else) complies with the law. if you look further, you
>> > > >> learn that the NSA tapped private fiber lines for both google and
>> > > >> yahoo. so what exactly did google do to offend you?
>> >
>> > Don't know about Nick, but I can tell what they did to offend *me*:
>> >
>> > Really? The Surveillance Engine Terminated All My Videos
>> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113059
>> >
>> > And this is where they let the local regime do what they like against
>> > me:
>> >
>> > a clickjacking that only packets captured show:
>> > Postfix smtp/TLS, Bkp/Cloning Mthd, Censorship/Intrusion
>> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-999436.html#7685200
>> >
>> > and:
>> >
>> > brute mess-up of my connection:
>> > Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
>> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268-start-25.html#7552466
>> > (identified the files right after it happened back in 2014, revealed all
>> > only
>> > these days)
>> >
>> > How about that, Gravis? The good do-no-evil Google? Ruining 5 yrs of my
>> > work?
>> > And the other two links are just samples of pranks and filthy routines
>> > from my nearly everyday life with my dear regime online?
>> >
>> > NOTE: All the links above I've checked before posting, barring future
>> > double-check report on any that was not right, further down this email
>> > thread. For future readers from the archives.
>> > > >>is your
>> > > >> objection that they were hacked by the NSA or that they strong armed
>> > > >> by the NSA?
>> > > >>
>> > > >>
>> > > >> > > reporting child pornography to the FBI as legally required by law?
>> > > >> > I don't understand where you got child pornography from.
>> > > >>
>> > > >> you wrote "considering their ties to government agencies" and the FBI
>> > > >> is a government agency.
>> > > >> --Gravis
>> > > >
>> > > > Sorry, no. FBI, NSA and US as a whole is a hostile government.
>> > Cooperation is forbidden by law (at least for normal citizens). Please do a
>> > realitycheck outside US.
>> > > >
>> > Right! Cooperation is against Free Open Source Software natural laws and
>> > declared customs!
>> >
>> > > > Nik
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also
>> > sharing with the NSA.
>> > > >
>> > I really like this line!
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>> > Pls. bear in mind, if I'm missing to reply to you (but I might be late,
>> > my health is unstable and I generally work slowly, old age)... [If I'm
>> > missing to reply to you], it could be another prank of my dear regime...
>> >
>> > And greetings here to golinux, who is a fine person, and you know,
>> > golinux, I miss edbarx, keithpeter and other who conversed met with on
>> > Debian Forums, and I hope many of them will soon join us in Devuan.
>> > --
> --
> Miroslav Rovis
> Zagreb, Croatia
> http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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