On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 09:41:52PM +0200, Martijn Dekkers wrote:
> **Looks around**
>
> Full moon tonight?

Well, I don't respond in kind. I was derided and attacked earlier in
Debian Fora, but my topics and my tips ended up being read and
followed. And they are in Gentoo Fora.

I'd just point to two kind posts related to my work by golinux which I
mentioned in my first post, and who I greet with respect again, and
which I related to devuan, which, like many of you, I do pin a lot of my
hopes on:

Topic: devuan
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=119155&p=564686#p564686

How to Remove Systemd and Related Packages from Your Debian
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=118197&start=15#p564494

But of most concern to me, is about what I'd like to contribute, which I
believe I'll be able to do, barring my health getting poorer yet and
enmity in my surrounding getting harsher yet...

(the enmity surrounding explained in the previous message, the first
one, also contained below, and seen here:
https://lists.dyne.org/lurker/message/20150305.175104.c6924211.en.html
and BTW every single link is live in my message at this time.),

[But my concern is about what I'd like to contribute], just like I
contributed to Debian which has now crippled itself with the
windozing/poetterizing and is now not a place to be...

I still hope someone can try and figure that those thousands of views of
my tips may not be a fruit of what Martijn Dekkers suggests.

And I saw, belatedly, and in bottom of my:

> > Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux
> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616

(the very last post) tip you can read why I wasn't able to follow earlier...

And I saw, belatedly, and read most of it, the few discussions on dbus,
and I only want to say that an opt-out of dbus is needed, and it has
been attainable in Debian, thanks to Thorsten mirabilos Glasier and his work.

It is workable as I demonstated here:

How to Remove Systemd and Related Packages from Your Debian
http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=118197&start=15

(and that is a repeated link)...

I count dbus in poetterware-related. You don't have to. I do. Pls. allow
for that option!

My take on it you can have also here:

Updating and keeping your Gentoo non-poeterized
https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-1012022.html

Just my new sig in bottom, no more new stuff in this message.
> On 5 March 2015 at 19:51, <miroslav.rovis1@???> wrote:
>
> > I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation.
> >
> > But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few links of
> > my tips, user-to-user (I'm not an expert and I'm just a fraction of a
> > programmer if at all), [user-to-user] tips:
> >
> > Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux
> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616
> >
> > How to Remove Systemd and Related Packages from Your Debian
> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=118197
> >
> > How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?
> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=116770
> >
> > And I'll stick one link below exactly where there is a special line, in
> > this
> > thread I'm replying to, that touched a nerve in my guts.
> >
> > But I am more of a Gentoo user still (since 2008, Debian since 2013 I
> > think).
> > Such as:
> >
> > Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268.html
> >
> > Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats)
> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html
> >
> > I'm not giving you those links for no reason. While I am not a
> > programmer, or am just minimally one, I have extensive user (of late it
> > has become advanced user) experience with censorship and even
> > surveillance that a user, in a country ruled by a regime, is exposed to
> > (have unveiled it for everybody to see, and will give another two links
> > below exactly where there is a special line that touched a nerve in my
> > guts).
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:28:59AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > > Nik, please remove yourself from the mailing list.
> > > --Gravis
> > Completely wrong, as attitude and even as merely a wish! Somebody stated
> > elsewhere in these few days on this list: it's free software, and it's
> > open source! Contrary from banning other people's opinions, we must
> > allow them.
> >
> > I agree completely with Nick, but I won't jump on you
> > Gravis, as I don't jump on some Gentoo members who, well, support NSA,
> > and troll against me... I'll let them like SELinux, Google and other
> > stuff which I despise! As long as they let me tell other members what I
> > think and suggest of SELinux, Google and stuff! And tell what I advise
> > that they use and generally do!
> >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <dr.klepp@???>
> > wrote:
> > > > Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb Gravis:
> > > >> > Here is just one example of what I am referring to.
> > > >> >
> > http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
> > > >>
> > > >> yeah, if you actually read the article you will learn that google
> > > >> (like everyone else) complies with the law. if you look further, you
> > > >> learn that the NSA tapped private fiber lines for both google and
> > > >> yahoo. so what exactly did google do to offend you?
> >
> > Don't know about Nick, but I can tell what they did to offend *me*:
> >
> > Really? The Surveillance Engine Terminated All My Videos
> > http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113059
> >
> > And this is where they let the local regime do what they like against
> > me:
> >
> > a clickjacking that only packets captured show:
> > Postfix smtp/TLS, Bkp/Cloning Mthd, Censorship/Intrusion
> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-999436.html#7685200
> >
> > and:
> >
> > brute mess-up of my connection:
> > Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
> > https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268-start-25.html#7552466
> > (identified the files right after it happened back in 2014, revealed all
> > only
> > these days)
> >
> > How about that, Gravis? The good do-no-evil Google? Ruining 5 yrs of my
> > work?
> > And the other two links are just samples of pranks and filthy routines
> > from my nearly everyday life with my dear regime online?
> >
> > NOTE: All the links above I've checked before posting, barring future
> > double-check report on any that was not right, further down this email
> > thread. For future readers from the archives.
> > > >>is your
> > > >> objection that they were hacked by the NSA or that they strong armed
> > > >> by the NSA?
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> > > reporting child pornography to the FBI as legally required by law?
> > > >> > I don't understand where you got child pornography from.
> > > >>
> > > >> you wrote "considering their ties to government agencies" and the FBI
> > > >> is a government agency.
> > > >> --Gravis
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, no. FBI, NSA and US as a whole is a hostile government.
> > Cooperation is forbidden by law (at least for normal citizens). Please do a
> > realitycheck outside US.
> > > >
> > Right! Cooperation is against Free Open Source Software natural laws and
> > declared customs!
> >
> > > > Nik
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also
> > sharing with the NSA.
> > > >
> > I really like this line!
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > Dng mailing list
> > > > Dng@???
> > > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > Dng mailing list
> > > Dng@???
> > > https://mailinglists.dyne.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/dng
> >
> > Pls. bear in mind, if I'm missing to reply to you (but I might be late,
> > my health is unstable and I generally work slowly, old age)... [If I'm
> > missing to reply to you], it could be another prank of my dear regime...
> >
> > And greetings here to golinux, who is a fine person, and you know,
> > golinux, I miss edbarx, keithpeter and other who conversed met with on
> > Debian Forums, and I hope many of them will soon join us in Devuan.
> > --
--
Miroslav Rovis
Zagreb, Croatia
http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr