**Looks around**

Full moon tonight?

On 5 March 2015 at 19:51, <miroslav.rovis1@???> wrote:

> I want to add my thoughts and feelings to this conversation.
>
> But since this is my first message to this list, here're a few links of
> my tips, user-to-user (I'm not an expert and I'm just a fraction of a
> programmer if at all), [user-to-user] tips:
>
> Grsecurity/Pax installation on Debian GNU/Linux
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=108616
>
> How to Remove Systemd and Related Packages from Your Debian
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=118197
>
> How to avoid stealth installation of systemd?
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=116770
>
> And I'll stick one link below exactly where there is a special line, in
> this
> thread I'm replying to, that touched a nerve in my guts.
>
> But I am more of a Gentoo user still (since 2008, Debian since 2013 I
> think).
> Such as:
>
> Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268.html
>
> Uninstalling dbus and *kits (to Unfacilitate Remote Seats)
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-992146.html
>
> I'm not giving you those links for no reason. While I am not a
> programmer, or am just minimally one, I have extensive user (of late it
> has become advanced user) experience with censorship and even
> surveillance that a user, in a country ruled by a regime, is exposed to
> (have unveiled it for everybody to see, and will give another two links
> below exactly where there is a special line that touched a nerve in my
> guts).
>
> On Thu, Mar 05, 2015 at 03:28:59AM -0500, Gravis wrote:
> > Nik, please remove yourself from the mailing list.
> > --Gravis
> Completely wrong, as attitude and even as merely a wish! Somebody stated
> elsewhere in these few days on this list: it's free software, and it's
> open source! Contrary from banning other people's opinions, we must
> allow them.
>
> I agree completely with Nick, but I won't jump on you
> Gravis, as I don't jump on some Gentoo members who, well, support NSA,
> and troll against me... I'll let them like SELinux, Google and other
> stuff which I despise! As long as they let me tell other members what I
> think and suggest of SELinux, Google and stuff! And tell what I advise
> that they use and generally do!
>
> >
> > On Thu, Mar 5, 2015 at 3:11 AM, Dr. Nikolaus Klepp <dr.klepp@???>
> wrote:
> > > Am Donnerstag, 5. März 2015 schrieb Gravis:
> > >> > Here is just one example of what I am referring to.
> > >> >
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
> > >>
> > >> yeah, if you actually read the article you will learn that google
> > >> (like everyone else) complies with the law. if you look further, you
> > >> learn that the NSA tapped private fiber lines for both google and
> > >> yahoo. so what exactly did google do to offend you?
>
> Don't know about Nick, but I can tell what they did to offend *me*:
>
> Really? The Surveillance Engine Terminated All My Videos
> http://forums.debian.net/viewtopic.php?f=3&t=113059
>
> And this is where they let the local regime do what they like against
> me:
>
> a clickjacking that only packets captured show:
> Postfix smtp/TLS, Bkp/Cloning Mthd, Censorship/Intrusion
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-999436.html#7685200
>
> and:
>
> brute mess-up of my connection:
> Air-Gapped Gentoo Install, Tentative
> https://forums.gentoo.org/viewtopic-t-987268-start-25.html#7552466
> (identified the files right after it happened back in 2014, revealed all
> only
> these days)
>
> How about that, Gravis? The good do-no-evil Google? Ruining 5 yrs of my
> work?
> And the other two links are just samples of pranks and filthy routines
> from my nearly everyday life with my dear regime online?
>
> NOTE: All the links above I've checked before posting, barring future
> double-check report on any that was not right, further down this email
> thread. For future readers from the archives.
> > >>is your
> > >> objection that they were hacked by the NSA or that they strong armed
> > >> by the NSA?
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> > > reporting child pornography to the FBI as legally required by law?
> > >> > I don't understand where you got child pornography from.
> > >>
> > >> you wrote "considering their ties to government agencies" and the FBI
> > >> is a government agency.
> > >> --Gravis
> > >
> > > Sorry, no. FBI, NSA and US as a whole is a hostile government.
> Cooperation is forbidden by law (at least for normal citizens). Please do a
> realitycheck outside US.
> > >
> Right! Cooperation is against Free Open Source Software natural laws and
> declared customs!
>
> > > Nik
> > >
> > > --
> > > Please do not email me anything that you are not comfortable also
> sharing with the NSA.
> > >
> I really like this line!
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> Pls. bear in mind, if I'm missing to reply to you (but I might be late,
> my health is unstable and I generally work slowly, old age)... [If I'm
> missing to reply to you], it could be another prank of my dear regime...
>
> And greetings here to golinux, who is a fine person, and you know,
> golinux, I miss edbarx, keithpeter and other who conversed met with on
> Debian Forums, and I hope many of them will soon join us in Devuan.
> --
> Miroslav Rovis
> Zagreb, Croatia
> http://www.CroatiaFidelis.hr
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