> Here is just one example of what I am referring to.
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data

yeah, if you actually read the article you will learn that google
(like everyone else) complies with the law. if you look further, you
learn that the NSA tapped private fiber lines for both google and
yahoo. so what exactly did google do to offend you? is your
objection that they were hacked by the NSA or that they strong armed
by the NSA?


> > reporting child pornography to the FBI as legally required by law?
> I don't understand where you got child pornography from.

you wrote "considering their ties to government agencies" and the FBI
is a government agency.
--Gravis


On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 11:23 PM, Ed Ender <skaendo@???> wrote:
> Here is just one example of what I am referring to.
>
> http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/jun/06/us-tech-giants-nsa-data
>
> I don't understand where you got child pornography from.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Gravis" [ring3k@???]
> Date: 03/04/2015 09:16 PM
> To: "Ed Ender" <skaendo@???>
> CC: "dng@???" <dng@???>
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is
>
>> Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I have no real say in the matter.
>> That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government agencies.
>
> ties to which government agencies? such as what, getting hacked by
> the NSA? reporting child pornography to the FBI as legally required
> by law?
>
> --Gravis
>
>
> On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 7:06 PM, Ed Ender <skaendo@???> wrote:
>> Personally, I would rather stay away from the world of Google. Although I have no real say in the matter.
>> That IMO would be a security breach, considering their ties to government agencies.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents!
>>
>> Ed
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: "T.J. Duchene" [t.j.duchene@???]
>> Date: 03/04/2015 06:14 PM
>> To: dng@???
>> Subject: Re: [Dng] Plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is
>>
>>
>> On 03/04/2015 01:25 PM, Hendrik Boom wrote:
>>>> I guess it is very likely that the first release of Devuan will use
>>>> >the re-branded Mozilla products.
>>>> >
>>>> >As far as I understood, the main reason for the re-branding is the
>>>> >Mozilla license that does not comply with DSFG
>>>> >(https://www.debian.org/social_contract#guidelines). Or the other
>>>> >way around? Sorry, I don't really understand licensing.
>>>> >
>>>> >Is Devuan going to use the exact same guideline? If not,is there any
>>>> >plan for Devuan to use Mozilla products as is in the future,
>>>> >especially Firefox and Thunderbird?
>>
>> If I recall correctly - which I may not be - the problem was that if
>> Debian wanted to use the Firefox name and logo, then Firefox must
>> approve every patch in advance, even security updates. Debian said that
>> was/is ridiculous so they were not allowed to use the logo or the name
>> for any Mozilla software.
>>
>> Quite frankly, I agree with that stance. It is stupid. But it is also
>> understandable. Mozilla does not want to be blamed for a bad patch they
>> had nothing to do with.
>>
>> If I might offer an alternative suggestion? I'd rather see Devuan
>> default to Chromium with NAPI support than use Firefox, period. As for
>> Thunderbird, I see no reason to use Mozilla's version. Unless things
>> have changed since I last heard, it undermaintained anyway. Mozilla was
>> going to sunset the entire project, but outcry stop them. As far as I
>> know, they update it with new versions of XUL but do little else.
>>
>> I don't think it has had new features not related to keeping up with
>> Firefox in over five years.
>>
>> t.j.
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