> They are our enemies and wish to make things as difficult as they can
> for us. They kicked us out and are working to make sure we cannot use
> that which is now their thing.

even if what you claim is true, so what? give the trolls enough rope
and they will hang themselves, we only need to leave them to their
devices. in the mean time, building our safe haven, devuan is a much
better use of our time than fighting in their forums.

--Gravis


On Wed, Mar 4, 2015 at 4:22 PM, Tom Collins <tomcollins224@???> wrote:
> I was reading the debian-user mailing list some time ago and one of the systemd triumphalists
> stated that they will be compiling in the requirement to use systemd in every package
> that supports it. They stated that they won and anyone who doesn't like it can
> leave.
>
> So you aren't imagining things, that is what they stated they would do.
> They are our enemies and wish to make things as difficult as they can
> for us. They kicked us out and are working to make sure we cannot use
> that which is now their thing.
>
> These people really are bastards. I wish there was some way to fight them.
> This disrespect should not be allowed to go unanswered.
>
> They spit on us every chance they get.
> There should be repercussions.
>
> I think it was somewhere in this thread:
> https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00641.html
> how to remove libsystemd0 from a live-running debian desktop system
>
> Sent: Wednesday, March 04, 2015 at 9:31 AM
> From: "Didier Kryn" <kryn@???>
> To: dng@???
> Subject: Re: [Dng] My pinning list is getting longer :)
> Le 04/03/2015 04:00, Anto a écrit :
>> Hello Everybody,
>>
>> I feel like being forced to (indirectly) use libsystemd0 on my VPS
>> just now.
>>
>> I pinned my php5 packages to version 5.4.36-0+deb7u1 on wheezy,
>> because php5-fpm version 5.6.5+dfsg-2 on jessie requires libsystemd0.
>> When I did dist-upgrade just now, it wanted to upgrade dpkg, dpkg-dev
>> and libdpkg-perl from version 1.17.23 to 1.17.24. But it also wanted
>> remove php5-fpm. It turned out that the new version of dpkg breaks
>> php5-fpm (<< 5.6.4+dfsg-3). So I just included those 3 packages into
>> my pinning list, to see which other packageswill force me again to use
>> anything related to systemd.
>>
>> I know that this is the risk of including jessie repository in my
>> source.list, as it is quite clear that they have made the decision to
>> support systemd. I guess they will always link any packages into
>> systemd as much as possible, even if there is a possibility to compile
>> the package without dependency to anything related to systemd.
>>
>> Looking at http://php.net/ChangeLog-5.php, they have put the option
>> "--with-fpm-systemd" starting from version 5.5.0. So I assume that I
>> can re-compile the php5 source from jessie repository with the option
>> "--without-fpm-systemd". Did anybody try that before? Or do I have to
>> use the upstream source to be able to use that option?
>>
>> Kind regards,
>>
>> Anto
>>
>> _______________
> I stay carefully with wheezy and no backports, until I have the
> opportunity to install Devuan. Don't see any strong need to "upgrade"
> anyway.
> Didier
>
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