> I have been aware of the pending assimilation of systemd into the kernel since Linus dramatically rejected Kay Sievers' code last spring.

a huge reason for it's rejection was it's lack of documentation. this
situation hasnt changed much in regard to kdbus.


> Recently there has been renewed chatter about the impending doom.

it's extremely unlikely. however, if for some reason it does, it can
be excluded if one chooses to exclude it. some of the stuff written
for kdbus actually has been accepted (about six months ago), in
particular the sealed memory file descriptor stuff. this actually is
good code and is the reason that kdbus has zero copy. with this, we
can now use unix domain sockets to pass memory with the same zero copy
goodness as kdbus. the question remains now is what good is the rest
of kdbus? since the documentation is lacking, we dont know and thus
it's not getting into the kernel. if kdbus eventually gets into the
kernel, it will have been well inspected and reviewed and deemed
worthy of inclusion. this is the complete opposite of how systemd has
been operating.


> Why not one response?

probably because gmail (among other services) is automatically marking
your emails as spam since they are claimed to have been sent _by_
yahoo's server but yahoo's server is denying it. either you are not
using yahoo's server to actually send your emails or the mailing list
server is misconfigured.

--Gravis


On Sat, Feb 28, 2015 at 8:07 PM, Go Linux <golinux@???> wrote:
> On Sat, 2/28/15, Go Linux <golinux@???> wrote:
>
> Subject: What if systemd infects the kernel?
> To: dng@???
> Date: Saturday, February 28, 2015, 1:05 AM
>
> I have been aware of the pending assimilation of systemd into the kernel since Linus dramatically rejected Kay Sievers' code last spring. Recently there has been renewed chatter about the impending doom. But I'm not quite clear how that would affect devuan. Hoping you can help me get a grip on the situation:
>
> Would a systemd-infected kernel bring devuan to its knees?
>
> IOW will devuan require a systemd-free kernel to run properly?
>
> Would the VUAs be able to disinfect the kernel? Or is that something that would have to go through Linus?
>
> Is there any chance that the kernel devs would be willing to maintain two separate kernel versions?
>
> Or will devuan be up a creek if/when that happens?
>
> I'm assuming the VUAs have thought about this - I can't imagine they would they be going through this monumental effort only to be foiled by a systemd kernel - and that there is a solution. Please enlighten me. :)
>
> golinux
>
>
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>
> Either this is an incredibly stupid question or it's the elephant in the room. Why not one response? This inquiring mind would like to know.
>
> golinux
>
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