Lol! I recently happened to be researching the different soundsystem
architectures, after incinerating pulseaudio on my laptop/Wheezy and then
having different problems, and found --> https://wiki.debian.org/Sound

What struck me of particular interest were the three diagrams of how
alsa/jack/pulseaudio perceive the sound architecture. I couldn't help but
think that systemd very likely has the same structure. The "mother, may
I?/None shall pass/TRON MCP" structure.

Developers often hang to a general pattern of designing things; I cant see
why the designer behind pulseaudio would be different. Best argument
against systemd I've seen to date.

SWS
On Feb 27, 2015 11:45 PM, "Steve Litt" <slitt@???> wrote:

> On Fri, 27 Feb 2015 14:18:15 -0600
> "T.J. Duchene" <t.j.duchene@???> wrote:
>
>
> > With respect to all, I think that a measure of objectivity is called
> > for here. I think that because personality clashes that Debian's
> > entire systemd discussion has lost any sense of reality long ago.
>
> You know, T.J., I might just agree with you, *if* you can show me a
> block diagram of the systemd ecosystem, *complete with interaction
> lines as well as functional blocks*.
>
> You know, like this:
>
> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/201202/images/email_arch_personal.png
>
> Or these:
>
> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200803/images/server_app.png
> http://troubleshooters.com/lpm/200803/images/client_app.png
>
> Or these:
>
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_process_overview.png
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_daemontools.png
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_minimal_service.png
>
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_dnscache_block_diagram.png
>
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/djbdns/images/mm_tinydns_block_diagram.png
>
> Or this:
>
> http://www.troubleshooters.com/linux/nullmailer/images/nullmailer_mm.png
>
> But not the following, because it's boxes with no lines:
>
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/35/Systemd_components.svg/440px-Systemd_components.svg.png
>
> Nor this, because it's obviously incomplete as a representation of the
> systemd ecosphere:
>
>
> http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/e/e7/Linux_kernel_unified_hierarchy_cgroups_and_systemd.svg/440px-Linux_kernel_unified_hierarchy_cgroups_and_systemd.svg.png
>
>
> Bottom line is this: If you make a modular system with thin interfaces
> and sane components, somebody will make a block diagram representing it,
> accurately, in its entirety.
>
> It could be argued that the email, sockets, and djb software systems I
> diagrammed were much simpler than systemd. Fair enough, but I'm one guy
> doing this stuff in my spare time, not six guys getting paid full time
> by Red Hat. I'm sure one of the geniuses Red Hat hired could have
> diagrammed system accurately and completely. Heck, I often do that
> *before* I write software, just so the system turns out architecturally
> sound.
>
> Let's see the block diagram. Prove systemd doesn't have grave
> architectural problems.
>
> SteveT
>

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