On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 6:39 PM, Gravis <ring3k@???> wrote:
> - people will switch when the annoyance of unexpected systemd behavior
> outweighs the annoyance of getting rid of systemd
> - developers will stop using it when something nicer with wider support
> comes along or they personally are fed up with systemd.
> - distros will keep requiring it until they start losing lots of people to
> distros without systemd or have enough complaints/support issues to warrant
> change.
>
> we need to make the first two things happen if there is any hope of the
> third happening.

If the third is change i'm with you, if the third is "losing users",
i'm not. There are a few good distros where user-quantity is not an
issue. Software quality is more important. I'll still give Devuan a
try regardless of how many users it has, and i sure as hell don't have
Red Hat on my roadmap.