> How much should systemd damage the image of GNU/Linux before everybody
realise how much of a nonsense it is?

the image of linux is /not/ what will cause change.

- people will switch when the annoyance of unexpected systemd behavior
outweighs the annoyance of getting rid of systemd
- developers will stop using it when something nicer with wider support
comes along or they personally are fed up with systemd.
- distros will keep requiring it until they start losing lots of people to
distros without systemd or have enough complaints/support issues to warrant
change.

we need to make the first two things happen if there is any hope of the
third happening.

--Gravis

On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 1:13 PM, KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 27, 2015 at 01:56:56PM +0000, Matthew Melton wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> > >
> > > Just to support my point, Debian has a great logo, but this is what is
> > > currently happening to the users of Jessie, thanks to the
> > > systemd-nonsense:
> > >
> > > https://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2015/02/msg00013.html
> >
> > Think they have found a solution after reading the followups. Reminds me
> that someone complained they couldn't terminate fdisk if started by systemd
> during boot.
> > Might offer to help them...once I have stopped laughing of course. Ha ha.
> >
> >
>
> Well, I still find it hard to believe that a modern Unix OS might be
> stuck at boot because I forgot to connect an ethernet cable... This is
> the essence of the systemd-nonsense. In that case it was "just" a
> laptop, but can you imagine something similar happening on a
> production server? Who is going to pay for the downtime that these
> "little glitches" are going to cause? How much should systemd damage
> the image of GNU/Linux before everybody realise how much of a nonsense
> it is?
>
> :(
>
> KatolaZ
>
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