On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01:36PM +0000, Luke Leighton wrote:

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> what you *don't* want to happen is to fall into exactly the same trap
> of forcing people into all-or-nothing decisions. we've had enough of
> that, and it would be respectful to them to give them a proper choice,

if you want just want to use /some/ of our packages, you simply need to add
devuan's repos to the sources.list file of a debian installation.


> and to show other distros (including debian) that respecting people's
> right to choose is something that attracts users.

there's a problem with that logic: that's not what attracts users.


> also, i'm going to have a word with the systemd team. i'm going to
> advocate to them that they make libsystemd0 be a dynamically-loaded
> runtime library, and to provide demonstrations (starting with
> pulseaudio) where applications check at *runtime* if libsystemd0 is
> available, rather than hard-code the functionality directly in.

be sure you keep a record or your conversation, i could use a good laugh.


-Gravis

On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 6:17 PM, KatolaZ <katolaz@???> wrote:

> On Mon, Feb 16, 2015 at 11:01:36PM +0000, Luke Leighton wrote:
>
> [cut]
>
> >
> > what you *don't* want to happen is to fall into exactly the same trap
> > of forcing people into all-or-nothing decisions. we've had enough of
> > that, and it would be respectful to them to give them a proper choice,
> > and to show other distros (including debian) that respecting people's
> > right to choose is something that attracts users.
> >
>
> I see your point, but you will agree that it will be almost impossible
> to keep two versions of the same (group of) packages (one with and one
> without systemd support), and also useless, since the version "with
> systemd" will be altready shipped by Debian....
>
> I am sorry but I don't understand the necessity to be "100%
> compatible" with Debian at all costs. Again, this will probably be
> almost natural for the first release, since Devuan developers are
> focusing on making the fewest necessary changes, but I am convinced
> that it will soon become unpractical if not impossible, at least if
> alternatives to udev and dbus will be included in Devuan and other
> packages will depend on them. IMHO, it's always a bad habit to use
> packges from different distros, especially in production environments,
> and mixing Debian and Devuan is not an exception (as it is not mixing
> Ubuntu with Debian...)
>
> It will be hard for all of us to leave Debian, believe me, but again
> revolutions are not cheap...
>
> HND
>
> KatolaZ
>
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