On Thu, Feb 12, 2015 at 5:33 AM, Martijn Dekkers
<devuan-list1@???> wrote:
> Whilst I am still utterly amazed with how awesome Linux servers are, I don't
> think we will ever get there with desktops.

Diversity can be a strength, or a weakness. It's good to have diverse
desktops (i dislike behemoths like GNOME and KDE), but it hinders
adoption of a common ground - which is required if you want to appeal
to new users. Yes, there's freedesktop and linux standard base... but
where's adoption? If there was a coherent set of standards and distros
actually followed them, maybe systemd wouldn't have surfaced (or at
least they'd have to find another excuse).

OTOH, i feel the GUI should come up as an extra layer, via startx
(well not necessarily so). I want to work on the CLI if i want to and
to enable the GUI if i want to. If you want your 'puter to go straight
to GUI that's fine by me, as long as your "user experience" isn't
shoved down my throat, which is what systemd does. The "makng it
easier for desktops " excuse is just that, an excuse.

Above all there should always be freedom of choice: i don't care if
people want to use systemd as long as i have the choice not to. And
linux as been well and deployed in large scale everywhere mission
critical you name it systems for quite a few decades now without the
need for systemd.

So yes there should be room for improvement and development, but not
at the expense of trampling on others. Put your GUI desktop DE things
on steroids, i don't care, as long at it stays in the desktop layer.

Yeah, guess i rambled.