well the default installation does not actually have systemd installed
which sets it apart from other distros that are not on the list.
therefore, Kali should remain on the list of "Operating systems
without systemd in the default installation". the libraries are
annoying but they are merely interfaces to systemd with no
functionality of their own.
--Gravis


On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 7:27 PM, Ed Ender <skaendo@???> wrote:
> libsystemd-daemon0 and libsystemd-login0 are installed by default, at least they are in Kali 1.1.0 (2015-02-09).
>
> Other than that I don't know what else systemd related is installed.
>
> But sysvinit is installed as the default init, again at least in Kali 1.1.0.
>
> In their official repo there is systemd, and systemd-shim. Therefore I believe that the libs are installed just to satisfy Gnome 3, which is their default DE.
>
> So, should Kali be considered enough systemd-less to be listed in the wiki, considering the default init is sysvinit?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: "Gravis" [ring3k@???]
> Date: 02/11/2015 03:57 PM
> To: "Clarke Sideroad" <clarke.sideroad@???>
> CC: "dng@???" <dng@???>
> Subject: Re: [Dng] Kali Linux has systemd?
>
> My question is, is it part of the default installation or did you
> (inadvertently) add it afterwards?
>
> --Gravis
>
>
> On Wed, Feb 11, 2015 at 10:37 AM, Clarke Sideroad
> <clarke.sideroad@???> wrote:
>> On 10/02/15 11:34 PM, Ed Ender wrote:
>>
>> On 2015-02-10 19:52, Wim wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>>
>> Mark inquired about the source of my info on kali. I just saw kali on the
>> list at:
>>
>> http://without-systemd.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page#Operating_systems_without_systemd_in_the_default_installation
>>
>> Decided to do some research. Apparently, systemd is already present in the
>> latest kali 1.0.9:
>>
>> https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?24275-Ran-updates-and-now-no-GUI-at-all
>> https://forums.kali.org/showthread.php?23603-About-Kali-Linux-and-systemd
>>
>> It appears the list isn't up-to-date and they should take kali off.
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>>
>> Wim
>>
>> I have removed Kali from the wiki since I put it there. But......
>>
>> I have Kali 1.1.0 (2015-02-09) and can't find systemd in it. I have apt-get
>> updated & upgraded.
>>
>> Using [find / -name systemd*] I have found 2 folders & 1 file:
>>
>> /etc/systemd
>> /lib/systemd
>> /usr/share/gnome-shell/js/gdm/systemd.js
>>
>> And noticed sysvinit at boot.
>>
>> Can you confirm that systemd is installed in your installation? And if so,
>> how you got it?
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>>
>> I have Kali here and it has libsystemd-daemon0 and libsystemd-login0.
>>
>> This is a several times over dist-upgrade and not a new install.
>> I find it conceivable that a new install might install the whole mess, just
>> as a new install of Debian stable and backports will. Kali is after all
>> Debian 7 with mods and apps added.
>>
>> IMHO Kali would benefit from getting clear of the choking, restricted
>> carapace of systemd and make a switch to Devuan when it becomes available.
>>
>> Clarke
>>
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