joerg i share your sentiment.







For the secrets and lies, my PGP key:
https://libbitcoin.dyne.org/julia_tourianski.pgp.asc

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Joerg Platzer <joerg@???> wrote:

>
> Now have I entirely missed something here or do you guys keep on
> discussing if it was cool that DPR ordered murders for hire even though he
> is neither charged with these crimes not to mention found guilty?
>
> This reminds me of when the whole world discussed if it was ok for Sadam
> Hussein to have nuclear weapons or not, thus giving credibility to the
> outright lies of the people who claimed he had them.
>
> The same government-bag full of liars who claim that DPR wanted to kill by
> the way.
>
> ++jp
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> ________________________________________
> Von: unSYSTEM <unsystem-bounces@???> im Auftrag von Seth <
> list@???>
> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Februar 2015 06:26
> An: System undo crew
> Betreff: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>
> On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:14:00 -0800, Alec Spier <alec.spier@???>
> wrote:
>
> > What were the terrible choices he had to face?
> >
> > A: Be blackmailed and pay the blackmail, close up shop and leave with
> > deca-deca-millions.
> > Improve security and open another store.
> >
> > B: Pay the blackmail and stay open. Be blackmailed again potentially.
> >
> > C: Tell the guy to fuck off, close shop and leave with your
> > deca-deca-millions.
> >
> > D: Tell the guy to fuck off, keep shop open risk him releasing the
> > customer
> > lists and allow the customers to be responsible for their own actions of
> > giving
> > their addresses and names to anonymous people on the internet.
> >
> > E: CLOSE SHOP, LAY LOW, MAKE A NEW WEBSITE
> >
> > F (for FAIL): Have a man whose identity you are not even definitively
> > sure of (considering
> > he didn't end up being existent) murdered...along with anybody else
> > threatening
> > your clientele.
> >
> > Just about every other option could have had him not cross the line and
> > attempt
> > to pay for people to DIE. Sorry but there's not any clear excuse for
> > this action
> > in my eyes, if you can explain one to me I'm willing to listen.
>
> See the problem here is that it was the blackmailer/snitch who first
> threatened violence, in this case the violence of the state. And it wasn't
> just DPR that was going to be harmed, it was many other innocent people
> that did not aggress against anyone else.
>
> Sicking the state on someone means threats backed by deadly force. The
> state gunmen threaten and/or inflict increasing levels of aggressive
> violence against a person until they either submit or die. State agents
> call this the 'use of force continuum'.
>
> In cases where the person on the receiving end of this violence is an
> actual criminal (that is caused real harm to person or property) this is
> not always a bad thing. In every other case it is.
>
> Get in this cage, or get in this body bag, it's your choice.
>
> So the snitch really was threatening all kinds of people with deadly
> force, and many of those people were going to have their lives destroyed
> by the state. Some would most likely be raped in prison as a result, which
> one could argue is a fate worse than death.
>
> Now for an extreme example of the concept: Let's say for the sake of
> argument that you are harboring a bunch of (insert persecuted people) from
> (insert despotic dictator) and his hired killers. Along comes a person who
> says, I'm a little short on cash, unless you provide me 300K USD, I'm
> going to let the dictator know where to find all these people who are
> cowering in your basement.
>
> If you pay someone to kill the snitch, is that an immoral act?
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