since this thread has as much ignorance as curiosity, for those who care to
know what actually went on, my videos (
http://bravetheworld.com/2015/01/16/silk-road-trial-incredible/) and Andy
Greenberg's articles will paint you the most accurate picture, short of
actually reading the transcripts.

take care.









For the secrets and lies, my PGP key:
https://libbitcoin.dyne.org/julia_tourianski.pgp.asc

On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 5:29 PM, Julia Tourianski <juliatourianski@???>
wrote:

> joerg i share your sentiment.
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> On Mon, Feb 9, 2015 at 3:36 PM, Joerg Platzer <joerg@???> wrote:
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>> Now have I entirely missed something here or do you guys keep on
>> discussing if it was cool that DPR ordered murders for hire even though he
>> is neither charged with these crimes not to mention found guilty?
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>> This reminds me of when the whole world discussed if it was ok for Sadam
>> Hussein to have nuclear weapons or not, thus giving credibility to the
>> outright lies of the people who claimed he had them.
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>> The same government-bag full of liars who claim that DPR wanted to kill
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>> Von: unSYSTEM <unsystem-bounces@???> im Auftrag von Seth <
>> list@???>
>> Gesendet: Montag, 9. Februar 2015 06:26
>> An: System undo crew
>> Betreff: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
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>> On Fri, 06 Feb 2015 21:14:00 -0800, Alec Spier <alec.spier@???
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>> > What were the terrible choices he had to face?
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>> > A: Be blackmailed and pay the blackmail, close up shop and leave with
>> > deca-deca-millions.
>> > Improve security and open another store.
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>> > B: Pay the blackmail and stay open. Be blackmailed again potentially.
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>> > C: Tell the guy to fuck off, close shop and leave with your
>> > deca-deca-millions.
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>> > D: Tell the guy to fuck off, keep shop open risk him releasing the
>> > customer
>> > lists and allow the customers to be responsible for their own actions of
>> > giving
>> > their addresses and names to anonymous people on the internet.
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>> > E: CLOSE SHOP, LAY LOW, MAKE A NEW WEBSITE
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>> > F (for FAIL): Have a man whose identity you are not even definitively
>> > sure of (considering
>> > he didn't end up being existent) murdered...along with anybody else
>> > threatening
>> > your clientele.
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>> > Just about every other option could have had him not cross the line and
>> > attempt
>> > to pay for people to DIE. Sorry but there's not any clear excuse for
>> > this action
>> > in my eyes, if you can explain one to me I'm willing to listen.
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>> See the problem here is that it was the blackmailer/snitch who first
>> threatened violence, in this case the violence of the state. And it wasn't
>> just DPR that was going to be harmed, it was many other innocent people
>> that did not aggress against anyone else.
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>> Sicking the state on someone means threats backed by deadly force. The
>> state gunmen threaten and/or inflict increasing levels of aggressive
>> violence against a person until they either submit or die. State agents
>> call this the 'use of force continuum'.
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>> In cases where the person on the receiving end of this violence is an
>> actual criminal (that is caused real harm to person or property) this is
>> not always a bad thing. In every other case it is.
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>> Get in this cage, or get in this body bag, it's your choice.
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>> So the snitch really was threatening all kinds of people with deadly
>> force, and many of those people were going to have their lives destroyed
>> by the state. Some would most likely be raped in prison as a result, which
>> one could argue is a fate worse than death.
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>> Now for an extreme example of the concept: Let's say for the sake of
>> argument that you are harboring a bunch of (insert persecuted people) from
>> (insert despotic dictator) and his hired killers. Along comes a person who
>> says, I'm a little short on cash, unless you provide me 300K USD, I'm
>> going to let the dictator know where to find all these people who are
>> cowering in your basement.
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>> If you pay someone to kill the snitch, is that an immoral act?
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