Ross was not justified in ordering the hits because
1. He did not know if the person(s) being killed were the right people. Turns out they weren't real...they also could have witnesses by accident and those people would also die.
2. He never mentioned the data breach so its obvious customer InfoSec safety is not his concern. He was concerned for his business.
3. He could have left and closed shop and opened another later and washed his hands of the extortionist.
4. He never even tried to pay the ransom to satisfy the extortionist in the first place.
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Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my brevity.Mike Gogulski <mike@???> wrote:
A murder is a killing that is not justified. Remember that as y'all
think this through.
On 02/06/2015 08:09 PM, Brian Hoffman wrote:
> So conspiracy to attempt murder is ethical now? I think I've heard
> everything. I'll buy that this trial wasn't about him trying to murder
> anyone, but that's a fucking weak argument. I like how you casually
> place murder in that "protection" bucket.
>
> On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>
>> Not only that, it is ethical to protect your suppliers and customers
>> from ruin when another party threatens them with state violence.
>>
>> Ross' takedown was also necessary because of his ethics.
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2015 12:35 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???
>> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the point was not that he committed murder or was accused
>> of committing murder, it was that the defense did not deny that
>> his intention was for someone to be murdered and he took steps
>> that he thought would lead to that outcome.
>>
>> Do you think it is an acceptable behavior to pay someone to
>> murder someone else because you think they threaten your illegal
>> business?
>>
>> Adam B. Levine
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Julia Tourianski
>> <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug trafficking, money
>> laundering conspiracy to hack, selling fraudulent
>> identification... and variations of what I already
>> mentioned. The murder thing was all bullshit and he was never
>> indicted for it. the fact that people are so hung up on it
>> even in this mailing list shows how effective of a slander
>> strategy it was
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???
>> <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Ross didn't actually get charged with murder I thought?
>> And was convicted on drug trafficking, hacking, and money
>> laundering. Julia, do you have a full list of what the
>> conviction was?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia Tourianski
>> <juliatourianski@???
>> <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> He was confident because "I have an answer for
>> everything"
>>
>> unfortunately the defense was not allowed to present
>> half of their evidence , and half of their witnesses
>> were not allowed to speak either.
>>
>> His fait was sealed before it even started.
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt"
>> <eljuangalt@??? <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've yet to look a the evidence presented at the
>> trial, havn't had time. However, the CIA has
>> admitted to false flag operations and Its hard to
>> argue that it is above them to do such a thing in
>> this case, particularly given how the Silk Road
>> arguable threatens the status quo in regards to
>> the war on drugs.
>>
>> So, without looking at the evidence, my loyalty
>> is with Ross. However, if those threats were
>> indeed made, and Ross made them, than yes, that
>> alone would deserve moral judgment and
>> appropriate social action.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mathias
>> Groennebaek <mathias@???
>> <mailto:mathias@cloudtech.dk>> wrote:
>>
>> Have I missed something, or did the defence
>> not really provide any particular proof of
>> Ross not having ordered the hit on several
>> people? And if so, why is it so hard to
>> understand why he has been convicted, when
>> there is an ample amount of proof that he did
>> indeed do so?
>> From a moral perspective, anyone involved in
>> a murder should in my honest opinion be
>> convicted of their crimes. The silk road
>> trial and a discussion in general about drugs
>> and their legality is a separate matter
>> entirely to me.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Juan S. Galt
>> <eljuangalt@???
>> <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone with enough mind to think about it
>> for a few minutes knows this trial has
>> been rigged from the start.
>>
>> "It is important to note that since there
>> is no victim to Ross’s alleged illegal
>> activity this court case is not founded
>> on contract law. And given the 500+
>> variations of cannabis that was traded on
>> the Silk Road, it’s hard to say it was
>> even anti-democratic with the plant being
>> one of the most popular recreational and
>> medicinal drugs, which after decades of
>> controversy remains illegal."
>>
>> http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Brian
>> Hoffman <brian@???
>> <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Touche
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Cody R
>> Wilson <codywilson@???
>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's reddit?
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:22 PM, "Brian
>>> Hoffman" <brian@???
>>> <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Meh it's just fun times. Don't
>>> tell me all the Reddit babble
>>> has you rattled. I'm just
>>> messing with you.
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Cody
>>> R Wilson <codywilson@???
>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Brian, if I don't know
>>>> better I'd say you were being
>>>> snide.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brian
>>>> Hoffman" <brian@???
>>>> <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And he endorses you for
>>>> Bitcoin Foundation board as
>>>> a result of your support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM,
>>>> Cody R Wilson
>>>> <codywilson@???
>>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before, I
>>>>> support him because of
>>>>> what he is accused. Not
>>>>> despite it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:02 PM,
>>>>> "Adam B. Levine"
>>>>> <adam@???
>>>>> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does whether or not
>>>>> Ross did what he is
>>>>> being accused of and
>>>>> tried for, matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>>>> <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at
>>>>> 3:40 PM, Julia
>>>>> Tourianski
>>>>> <juliatourianski@???
>>>>> <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I watched his
>>>>> father breakdown
>>>>> on the phone with
>>>>> Ross's sister and
>>>>> my world has been
>>>>> frozen since that
>>>>> moment. I cannot
>>>>> imagine their pain
>>>>> even after
>>>>> witnessing it. His
>>>>> mother is staying
>>>>> very strong, it's
>>>>> not over for her.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the jury
>>>>> members was
>>>>> smiling when they
>>>>> announced it. I'm
>>>>> so disappointed in
>>>>> the basic nature
>>>>> of the common, the
>>>>> "Justice" machine
>>>>> did its job today. ..
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015
>>>>> 5:42 PM, "Cody R
>>>>> Wilson"
>>>>> <codywilson@???
>>>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take heart. We
>>>>> knew this part
>>>>> was likely. We
>>>>> find the real
>>>>> battle in
>>>>> challenging
>>>>> the US'
>>>>> acquisition of
>>>>> the server info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't argue
>>>>> the facts, but
>>>>> we can put
>>>>> them to proof
>>>>> on the law.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015
>>>>> 4:40 PM,
>>>>> "Alicia Cruz"
>>>>> <accruz44@???
>>>>> <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed,
>>>>> Feb 4,
>>>>> 2015 at
>>>>> 4:31 PM,
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> <millsdmb@???
>>>>> <mailto:millsdmb@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Guilty
>>>>> on all
>>>>> charges :(:(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan
>>>>> 23,
>>>>> 2015
>>>>> 12:49
>>>>> PM,
>>>>> "Andrew Miller"
>>>>> <amiller@???
>>>>> <mailto:amiller@cs.umd.edu>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> um
>>>>> by
>>>>> the way,
>>>>> did anyone
>>>>> notice
>>>>> what
>>>>> is
>>>>> happening
>>>>> in
>>>>> Puerto
>>>>> Rico
>>>>> with
>>>>> >
>>>>> the Bitcoin
>>>>> Foundation
>>>>> and that
>>>>> ZeroCash
>>>>> project,
>>>>> which
>>>>> did present
>>>>> at
>>>>> >
>>>>> the prior
>>>>> FinCrypto,
>>>>> is
>>>>> noticeably
>>>>> ABSENT
>>>>> from
>>>>> this
>>>>> upcoming
>>>>> one?
>>>>> See:
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai
>>>>> (yeah,
>>>>> interesting
>>>>> read)
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> think
>>>>> your
>>>>> point
>>>>> is
>>>>> that
>>>>> because
>>>>> there's
>>>>> no
>>>>> research
>>>>> paper
>>>>> about
>>>>> Zerocash
>>>>> or
>>>>> an
>>>>> extension
>>>>> being
>>>>> presented
>>>>> at
>>>>> FC
>>>>> or
>>>>> the bitcoin
>>>>> workshop,
>>>>> that
>>>>> it
>>>>> might
>>>>> be
>>>>> being
>>>>> squelched/unwelcome
>>>>> somehow
>>>>> by the
>>>>> foundation
>>>>> influence
>>>>> there?
>>>>> That's
>>>>> not the
>>>>> case...
>>>>> members
>>>>> of the
>>>>> zerocash
>>>>> team
>>>>> will
>>>>> be
>>>>> there
>>>>> and will
>>>>> probably
>>>>> present
>>>>> a
>>>>> development
>>>>> update
>>>>> of
>>>>> some
>>>>> kind
>>>>> at
>>>>> the rump
>>>>> session.
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> think
>>>>> you're
>>>>> also
>>>>> suggesting
>>>>> that
>>>>> because
>>>>> the Bitcoin
>>>>> Foundation
>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>> sponsor
>>>>> of
>>>>> the FC
>>>>> conference
>>>>> that
>>>>> it's
>>>>> corrupted
>>>>> by
>>>>> it's
>>>>> influence.
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> think
>>>>> that's
>>>>> the case...
>>>>> it's
>>>>> an
>>>>> academic
>>>>> research
>>>>> conference,
>>>>> a
>>>>> panel
>>>>> of
>>>>> researchers
>>>>> reviews
>>>>> (blindedly)
>>>>> the papers
>>>>> that
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> can
>>>>> submit,
>>>>> and selects
>>>>> the ones
>>>>> that
>>>>> are technically
>>>>> best.
>>>>> I
>>>>> haven't
>>>>> seen
>>>>> any evidence
>>>>> of
>>>>> corruption
>>>>> in
>>>>> this
>>>>> process
>>>>> but I'd
>>>>> be
>>>>> happy
>>>>> to
>>>>> answer
>>>>> any questions
>>>>> you have
>>>>> about
>>>>> it. This
>>>>> conference
>>>>> originated
>>>>> during
>>>>> the
>>>>> first
>>>>> crypto
>>>>> wars,
>>>>> when
>>>>> cryptography
>>>>> was on
>>>>> the verge
>>>>> becoming
>>>>> illegal;
>>>>> kowtowing
>>>>> to
>>>>> anti-privacy
>>>>> interested
>>>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>> perverse
>>>>> against
>>>>> its culture.
>>>>> Also
>>>>> there's
>>>>> a
>>>>> session
>>>>> in
>>>>> the bitcoin
>>>>> workshop
>>>>> about
>>>>> (improving)
>>>>> Bitcoin
>>>>> privacy.
>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
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