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著者: Mike Gogulski
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To: System undo crew
題目: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
A murder is a killing that is not justified. Remember that as y'all
think this through.

On 02/06/2015 08:09 PM, Brian Hoffman wrote:
> So conspiracy to attempt murder is ethical now? I think I've heard
> everything. I'll buy that this trial wasn't about him trying to murder
> anyone, but that's a fucking weak argument. I like how you casually
> place murder in that "protection" bucket.
>
> On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>
>> Not only that, it is ethical to protect your suppliers and customers
>> from ruin when another party threatens them with state violence.
>>
>> Ross' takedown was also necessary because of his ethics.
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2015 12:35 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???
>> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     I think the point was not that he committed murder or was accused
>>     of committing murder, it was that the defense did not deny that
>>     his intention was for someone to be murdered and he took steps
>>     that he thought would lead to that outcome.  

>>
>>     Do you think it is an acceptable behavior to pay someone to
>>     murder someone else because you think they threaten your illegal
>>     business?

>>
>>     Adam B. Levine
>>     Editor-in-Chief
>>     Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>

>>
>>     On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Julia Tourianski
>>     <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>
>>         Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug trafficking, money
>>         laundering conspiracy to hack, selling fraudulent
>>         identification...  and variations of what I already
>>         mentioned. The murder thing was all bullshit and he was never
>>         indicted for it. the fact that people are so hung up on it
>>         even in this mailing list shows how effective of a slander
>>         strategy it was

>>
>>         On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???
>>         <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>
>>             Ross didn't actually get charged with murder I thought?
>>             And was convicted on drug trafficking, hacking, and money
>>             laundering. Julia, do you have a full list of what the
>>             conviction was?

>>
>>             On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia Tourianski
>>             <juliatourianski@???
>>             <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>
>>                 He was confident because "I have an answer for
>>                 everything"

>>
>>                 unfortunately the defense was not allowed to present
>>                 half of their evidence , and half of their witnesses
>>                 were not allowed to speak either.

>>
>>                 His fait was sealed before it even started.

>>
>>                 On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt"
>>                 <eljuangalt@??? <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>>
>>                 wrote:

>>
>>                     I've yet to look a the evidence presented at the
>>                     trial, havn't had time. However, the CIA has
>>                     admitted to false flag operations and Its hard to
>>                     argue that it is above them to do such a thing in
>>                     this case, particularly given how the Silk Road
>>                     arguable threatens the status quo in regards to
>>                     the war on drugs. 

>>
>>                     So, without looking at the evidence, my loyalty
>>                     is with Ross. However, if those threats were
>>                     indeed made, and Ross made them, than yes, that
>>                     alone would deserve moral judgment and
>>                     appropriate social action. 

>>
>>
>>
>>                     On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mathias
>>                     Groennebaek <mathias@???
>>                     <mailto:mathias@cloudtech.dk>> wrote:

>>
>>                         Have I missed something, or did the defence
>>                         not really provide any particular proof of
>>                         Ross not having ordered the hit on several
>>                         people? And if so, why is it so hard to
>>                         understand why he has been convicted, when
>>                         there is an ample amount of proof that he did
>>                         indeed do so?
>>                         From a moral perspective, anyone involved in
>>                         a murder should in my honest opinion be
>>                         convicted of their crimes. The silk road
>>                         trial and a discussion in general about drugs
>>                         and their legality is a separate matter
>>                         entirely to me.

>>
>>                         On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Juan S. Galt
>>                         <eljuangalt@???
>>                         <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>
>>                             Anyone with enough mind to think about it
>>                             for a few minutes knows this trial has
>>                             been rigged from the start. 

>>
>>                             "It is important to note that since there
>>                             is no victim to Ross’s alleged illegal
>>                             activity this court case is not founded
>>                             on contract law. And given the 500+
>>                             variations of cannabis that was traded on
>>                             the Silk Road, it’s hard to say it was
>>                             even anti-democratic with the plant being
>>                             one of the most popular recreational and
>>                             medicinal drugs, which after decades of
>>                             controversy remains illegal."

>>
>>                             http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed

>>
>>                             On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Brian
>>                             Hoffman <brian@???
>>                             <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:

>>
>>                                 Touche

>>
>>                                 On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Cody R
>>                                 Wilson <codywilson@???
>>                                 <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:

>>
>>>                                 What's reddit?

>>>
>>>                                 On Feb 4, 2015 7:22 PM, "Brian
>>>                                 Hoffman" <brian@???
>>>                                 <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:

>>>
>>>                                     Meh it's just fun times. Don't
>>>                                     tell me all the Reddit babble
>>>                                     has you rattled. I'm just
>>>                                     messing with you.

>>>
>>>                                     On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Cody
>>>                                     R Wilson <codywilson@???
>>>                                     <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>                                     wrote:

>>>
>>>>                                     Hey Brian, if I don't know
>>>>                                     better I'd say you were being
>>>>                                     snide.

>>>>
>>>>                                     On Feb 4, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brian
>>>>                                     Hoffman" <brian@???
>>>>                                     <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>>
>>>>                                     wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                                         And he endorses you for
>>>>                                         Bitcoin Foundation board as
>>>>                                         a result of your support.

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                         On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM,
>>>>                                         Cody R Wilson
>>>>                                         <codywilson@???
>>>>                                         <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>                                         wrote:

>>>>
>>>>>                                         As I've said before, I
>>>>>                                         support him because of
>>>>>                                         what he is accused. Not
>>>>>                                         despite it.

>>>>>
>>>>>                                         On Feb 4, 2015 7:02 PM,
>>>>>                                         "Adam B. Levine"
>>>>>                                         <adam@???
>>>>>                                         <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>>
>>>>>                                         wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>                                             Does whether or not
>>>>>                                             Ross did what he is
>>>>>                                             being accused of and
>>>>>                                             tried for, matter?

>>>>>
>>>>>                                             Adam B. Levine
>>>>>                                             Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>                                             Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>>>>                                             <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>

>>>>>
>>>>>                                             On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at
>>>>>                                             3:40 PM, Julia
>>>>>                                             Tourianski
>>>>>                                             <juliatourianski@???
>>>>>                                             <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>>>>                                             wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                 I watched his
>>>>>                                                 father breakdown
>>>>>                                                 on the phone with
>>>>>                                                 Ross's sister and
>>>>>                                                 my world has been
>>>>>                                                 frozen since that
>>>>>                                                 moment. I cannot
>>>>>                                                 imagine their pain
>>>>>                                                 even after
>>>>>                                                 witnessing it. His
>>>>>                                                 mother is staying
>>>>>                                                 very strong, it's
>>>>>                                                 not over for her.

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                 One of the jury
>>>>>                                                 members was
>>>>>                                                 smiling when they
>>>>>                                                 announced it. I'm
>>>>>                                                 so disappointed in
>>>>>                                                 the basic nature
>>>>>                                                 of the common, the
>>>>>                                                 "Justice" machine
>>>>>                                                 did its job today. ..

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                 On Feb 4, 2015
>>>>>                                                 5:42 PM, "Cody R
>>>>>                                                 Wilson"
>>>>>                                                 <codywilson@???
>>>>>                                                 <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>>                                                 wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                     Take heart. We
>>>>>                                                     knew this part
>>>>>                                                     was likely. We
>>>>>                                                     find the real
>>>>>                                                     battle in
>>>>>                                                     challenging
>>>>>                                                     the US'
>>>>>                                                     acquisition of
>>>>>                                                     the server info.

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                     Can't argue
>>>>>                                                     the facts, but
>>>>>                                                     we can put
>>>>>                                                     them to proof
>>>>>                                                     on the law.

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                     On Feb 4, 2015
>>>>>                                                     4:40 PM,
>>>>>                                                     "Alicia Cruz"
>>>>>                                                     <accruz44@???
>>>>>                                                     <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>>
>>>>>                                                     wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                         :(

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                         On Wed,
>>>>>                                                         Feb 4,
>>>>>                                                         2015 at
>>>>>                                                         4:31 PM,
>>>>>                                                         Matt
>>>>>                                                         <millsdmb@???
>>>>>                                                         <mailto:millsdmb@gmail.com>>
>>>>>                                                         wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                             Guilty
>>>>>                                                             on all
>>>>>                                                             charges :(:(

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                             On Jan
>>>>>                                                             23,
>>>>>                                                             2015
>>>>>                                                             12:49
>>>>>                                                             PM,
>>>>>                                                             "Andrew Miller"
>>>>>                                                             <amiller@???
>>>>>                                                             <mailto:amiller@cs.umd.edu>>
>>>>>                                                             wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                                 >
>>>>>                                                                 um
>>>>>                                                                 by
>>>>>                                                                 the way,
>>>>>                                                                 did anyone
>>>>>                                                                 notice
>>>>>                                                                 what
>>>>>                                                                 is
>>>>>                                                                 happening
>>>>>                                                                 in
>>>>>                                                                 Puerto
>>>>>                                                                 Rico
>>>>>                                                                 with

>>>>>                                                                 >
>>>>>                                                                 the Bitcoin
>>>>>                                                                 Foundation
>>>>>                                                                 and that
>>>>>                                                                 ZeroCash
>>>>>                                                                 project,
>>>>>                                                                 which
>>>>>                                                                 did present
>>>>>                                                                 at

>>>>>                                                                 >
>>>>>                                                                 the prior
>>>>>                                                                 FinCrypto,
>>>>>                                                                 is
>>>>>                                                                 noticeably
>>>>>                                                                 ABSENT
>>>>>                                                                 from
>>>>>                                                                 this
>>>>>                                                                 upcoming
>>>>>                                                                 one?
>>>>>                                                                 See:

>>>>>                                                                 >
>>>>>                                                                 http://fc15.ifca.ai 
>>>>>                                                                 (yeah,
>>>>>                                                                 interesting
>>>>>                                                                 read)

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                                 I
>>>>>                                                                 think
>>>>>                                                                 your
>>>>>                                                                 point
>>>>>                                                                 is
>>>>>                                                                 that
>>>>>                                                                 because
>>>>>                                                                 there's
>>>>>                                                                 no
>>>>>                                                                 research
>>>>>                                                                 paper
>>>>>                                                                 about
>>>>>                                                                 Zerocash
>>>>>                                                                 or
>>>>>                                                                 an
>>>>>                                                                 extension
>>>>>                                                                 being
>>>>>                                                                 presented
>>>>>                                                                 at
>>>>>                                                                 FC
>>>>>                                                                 or
>>>>>                                                                 the bitcoin
>>>>>                                                                 workshop,
>>>>>                                                                 that
>>>>>                                                                 it
>>>>>                                                                 might
>>>>>                                                                 be
>>>>>                                                                 being
>>>>>                                                                 squelched/unwelcome
>>>>>                                                                 somehow
>>>>>                                                                 by the
>>>>>                                                                 foundation
>>>>>                                                                 influence
>>>>>                                                                 there?
>>>>>                                                                 That's
>>>>>                                                                 not the
>>>>>                                                                 case...
>>>>>                                                                 members
>>>>>                                                                 of the
>>>>>                                                                 zerocash
>>>>>                                                                 team
>>>>>                                                                 will
>>>>>                                                                 be
>>>>>                                                                 there
>>>>>                                                                 and will
>>>>>                                                                 probably
>>>>>                                                                 present
>>>>>                                                                 a
>>>>>                                                                 development
>>>>>                                                                 update
>>>>>                                                                 of
>>>>>                                                                 some
>>>>>                                                                 kind
>>>>>                                                                 at
>>>>>                                                                 the rump
>>>>>                                                                 session.

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                                 I
>>>>>                                                                 think
>>>>>                                                                 you're
>>>>>                                                                 also
>>>>>                                                                 suggesting
>>>>>                                                                 that
>>>>>                                                                 because
>>>>>                                                                 the Bitcoin
>>>>>                                                                 Foundation
>>>>>                                                                 is
>>>>>                                                                 a
>>>>>                                                                 sponsor
>>>>>                                                                 of
>>>>>                                                                 the FC
>>>>>                                                                 conference
>>>>>                                                                 that
>>>>>                                                                 it's
>>>>>                                                                 corrupted
>>>>>                                                                 by
>>>>>                                                                 it's
>>>>>                                                                 influence.
>>>>>                                                                 I
>>>>>                                                                 don't
>>>>>                                                                 think
>>>>>                                                                 that's
>>>>>                                                                 the case...
>>>>>                                                                 it's
>>>>>                                                                 an
>>>>>                                                                 academic
>>>>>                                                                 research
>>>>>                                                                 conference,
>>>>>                                                                 a
>>>>>                                                                 panel
>>>>>                                                                 of
>>>>>                                                                 researchers
>>>>>                                                                 reviews
>>>>>                                                                 (blindedly)
>>>>>                                                                 the papers
>>>>>                                                                 that
>>>>>                                                                 anyone
>>>>>                                                                 can
>>>>>                                                                 submit,
>>>>>                                                                 and selects
>>>>>                                                                 the ones
>>>>>                                                                 that
>>>>>                                                                 are technically
>>>>>                                                                 best.
>>>>>                                                                 I
>>>>>                                                                 haven't
>>>>>                                                                 seen
>>>>>                                                                 any evidence
>>>>>                                                                 of
>>>>>                                                                 corruption
>>>>>                                                                 in
>>>>>                                                                 this
>>>>>                                                                 process
>>>>>                                                                 but I'd
>>>>>                                                                 be
>>>>>                                                                 happy
>>>>>                                                                 to
>>>>>                                                                 answer
>>>>>                                                                 any questions
>>>>>                                                                 you have
>>>>>                                                                 about
>>>>>                                                                 it. This
>>>>>                                                                 conference
>>>>>                                                                 originated
>>>>>                                                                 during
>>>>>                                                                 the
>>>>>                                                                 first
>>>>>                                                                 crypto
>>>>>                                                                 wars,
>>>>>                                                                 when
>>>>>                                                                 cryptography
>>>>>                                                                 was on
>>>>>                                                                 the verge
>>>>>                                                                 becoming
>>>>>                                                                 illegal;
>>>>>                                                                 kowtowing
>>>>>                                                                 to
>>>>>                                                                 anti-privacy
>>>>>                                                                 interested
>>>>>                                                                 would
>>>>>                                                                 be
>>>>>                                                                 perverse
>>>>>                                                                 against
>>>>>                                                                 its culture.
>>>>>                                                                 Also
>>>>>                                                                 there's
>>>>>                                                                 a
>>>>>                                                                 session
>>>>>                                                                 in
>>>>>                                                                 the bitcoin
>>>>>                                                                 workshop
>>>>>                                                                 about
>>>>>                                                                 (improving)
>>>>>                                                                 Bitcoin
>>>>>                                                                 privacy.
>>>>>                                                                 http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
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