A murder is a killing that is not justified. Remember that as y'all
> So conspiracy to attempt murder is ethical now? I think I've heard
> everything. I'll buy that this trial wasn't about him trying to murder
> anyone, but that's a fucking weak argument. I like how you casually
> place murder in that "protection" bucket.
>
> On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>
>> Not only that, it is ethical to protect your suppliers and customers
>> from ruin when another party threatens them with state violence.
>>
>> Ross' takedown was also necessary because of his ethics.
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2015 12:35 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???
>> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:
>>
>> I think the point was not that he committed murder or was accused
>> of committing murder, it was that the defense did not deny that
>> his intention was for someone to be murdered and he took steps
>> that he thought would lead to that outcome.
>>
>> Do you think it is an acceptable behavior to pay someone to
>> murder someone else because you think they threaten your illegal
>> business?
>>
>> Adam B. Levine
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Julia Tourianski
>> <juliatourianski@??? <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug trafficking, money
>> laundering conspiracy to hack, selling fraudulent
>> identification... and variations of what I already
>> mentioned. The murder thing was all bullshit and he was never
>> indicted for it. the fact that people are so hung up on it
>> even in this mailing list shows how effective of a slander
>> strategy it was
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???
>> <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Ross didn't actually get charged with murder I thought?
>> And was convicted on drug trafficking, hacking, and money
>> laundering. Julia, do you have a full list of what the
>> conviction was?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia Tourianski
>> <juliatourianski@???
>> <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> He was confident because "I have an answer for
>> everything"
>>
>> unfortunately the defense was not allowed to present
>> half of their evidence , and half of their witnesses
>> were not allowed to speak either.
>>
>> His fait was sealed before it even started.
>>
>> On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt"
>> <eljuangalt@??? <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>>
>> wrote:
>>
>> I've yet to look a the evidence presented at the
>> trial, havn't had time. However, the CIA has
>> admitted to false flag operations and Its hard to
>> argue that it is above them to do such a thing in
>> this case, particularly given how the Silk Road
>> arguable threatens the status quo in regards to
>> the war on drugs.
>>
>> So, without looking at the evidence, my loyalty
>> is with Ross. However, if those threats were
>> indeed made, and Ross made them, than yes, that
>> alone would deserve moral judgment and
>> appropriate social action.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mathias
>> Groennebaek <mathias@???
>> <mailto:mathias@cloudtech.dk>> wrote:
>>
>> Have I missed something, or did the defence
>> not really provide any particular proof of
>> Ross not having ordered the hit on several
>> people? And if so, why is it so hard to
>> understand why he has been convicted, when
>> there is an ample amount of proof that he did
>> indeed do so?
>> From a moral perspective, anyone involved in
>> a murder should in my honest opinion be
>> convicted of their crimes. The silk road
>> trial and a discussion in general about drugs
>> and their legality is a separate matter
>> entirely to me.
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Juan S. Galt
>> <eljuangalt@???
>> <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone with enough mind to think about it
>> for a few minutes knows this trial has
>> been rigged from the start.
>>
>> "It is important to note that since there
>> is no victim to Ross’s alleged illegal
>> activity this court case is not founded
>> on contract law. And given the 500+
>> variations of cannabis that was traded on
>> the Silk Road, it’s hard to say it was
>> even anti-democratic with the plant being
>> one of the most popular recreational and
>> medicinal drugs, which after decades of
>> controversy remains illegal."
>>
>> http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed
>>
>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Brian
>> Hoffman <brian@???
>> <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:
>>
>> Touche
>>
>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Cody R
>> Wilson <codywilson@???
>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:
>>
>>> What's reddit?
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:22 PM, "Brian
>>> Hoffman" <brian@???
>>> <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Meh it's just fun times. Don't
>>> tell me all the Reddit babble
>>> has you rattled. I'm just
>>> messing with you.
>>>
>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Cody
>>> R Wilson <codywilson@???
>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hey Brian, if I don't know
>>>> better I'd say you were being
>>>> snide.
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brian
>>>> Hoffman" <brian@???
>>>> <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> And he endorses you for
>>>> Bitcoin Foundation board as
>>>> a result of your support.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM,
>>>> Cody R Wilson
>>>> <codywilson@???
>>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> As I've said before, I
>>>>> support him because of
>>>>> what he is accused. Not
>>>>> despite it.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:02 PM,
>>>>> "Adam B. Levine"
>>>>> <adam@???
>>>>> <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Does whether or not
>>>>> Ross did what he is
>>>>> being accused of and
>>>>> tried for, matter?
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>>>> <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at
>>>>> 3:40 PM, Julia
>>>>> Tourianski
>>>>> <juliatourianski@???
>>>>> <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I watched his
>>>>> father breakdown
>>>>> on the phone with
>>>>> Ross's sister and
>>>>> my world has been
>>>>> frozen since that
>>>>> moment. I cannot
>>>>> imagine their pain
>>>>> even after
>>>>> witnessing it. His
>>>>> mother is staying
>>>>> very strong, it's
>>>>> not over for her.
>>>>>
>>>>> One of the jury
>>>>> members was
>>>>> smiling when they
>>>>> announced it. I'm
>>>>> so disappointed in
>>>>> the basic nature
>>>>> of the common, the
>>>>> "Justice" machine
>>>>> did its job today. ..
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015
>>>>> 5:42 PM, "Cody R
>>>>> Wilson"
>>>>> <codywilson@???
>>>>> <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Take heart. We
>>>>> knew this part
>>>>> was likely. We
>>>>> find the real
>>>>> battle in
>>>>> challenging
>>>>> the US'
>>>>> acquisition of
>>>>> the server info.
>>>>>
>>>>> Can't argue
>>>>> the facts, but
>>>>> we can put
>>>>> them to proof
>>>>> on the law.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015
>>>>> 4:40 PM,
>>>>> "Alicia Cruz"
>>>>> <accruz44@???
>>>>> <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> :(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Wed,
>>>>> Feb 4,
>>>>> 2015 at
>>>>> 4:31 PM,
>>>>> Matt
>>>>> <millsdmb@???
>>>>> <mailto:millsdmb@gmail.com>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Guilty
>>>>> on all
>>>>> charges :(:(
>>>>>
>>>>> On Jan
>>>>> 23,
>>>>> 2015
>>>>> 12:49
>>>>> PM,
>>>>> "Andrew Miller"
>>>>> <amiller@???
>>>>> <mailto:amiller@cs.umd.edu>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> >
>>>>> um
>>>>> by
>>>>> the way,
>>>>> did anyone
>>>>> notice
>>>>> what
>>>>> is
>>>>> happening
>>>>> in
>>>>> Puerto
>>>>> Rico
>>>>> with
>>>>> >
>>>>> the Bitcoin
>>>>> Foundation
>>>>> and that
>>>>> ZeroCash
>>>>> project,
>>>>> which
>>>>> did present
>>>>> at
>>>>> >
>>>>> the prior
>>>>> FinCrypto,
>>>>> is
>>>>> noticeably
>>>>> ABSENT
>>>>> from
>>>>> this
>>>>> upcoming
>>>>> one?
>>>>> See:
>>>>> >
>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai
>>>>> (yeah,
>>>>> interesting
>>>>> read)
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> think
>>>>> your
>>>>> point
>>>>> is
>>>>> that
>>>>> because
>>>>> there's
>>>>> no
>>>>> research
>>>>> paper
>>>>> about
>>>>> Zerocash
>>>>> or
>>>>> an
>>>>> extension
>>>>> being
>>>>> presented
>>>>> at
>>>>> FC
>>>>> or
>>>>> the bitcoin
>>>>> workshop,
>>>>> that
>>>>> it
>>>>> might
>>>>> be
>>>>> being
>>>>> squelched/unwelcome
>>>>> somehow
>>>>> by the
>>>>> foundation
>>>>> influence
>>>>> there?
>>>>> That's
>>>>> not the
>>>>> case...
>>>>> members
>>>>> of the
>>>>> zerocash
>>>>> team
>>>>> will
>>>>> be
>>>>> there
>>>>> and will
>>>>> probably
>>>>> present
>>>>> a
>>>>> development
>>>>> update
>>>>> of
>>>>> some
>>>>> kind
>>>>> at
>>>>> the rump
>>>>> session.
>>>>>
>>>>> I
>>>>> think
>>>>> you're
>>>>> also
>>>>> suggesting
>>>>> that
>>>>> because
>>>>> the Bitcoin
>>>>> Foundation
>>>>> is
>>>>> a
>>>>> sponsor
>>>>> of
>>>>> the FC
>>>>> conference
>>>>> that
>>>>> it's
>>>>> corrupted
>>>>> by
>>>>> it's
>>>>> influence.
>>>>> I
>>>>> don't
>>>>> think
>>>>> that's
>>>>> the case...
>>>>> it's
>>>>> an
>>>>> academic
>>>>> research
>>>>> conference,
>>>>> a
>>>>> panel
>>>>> of
>>>>> researchers
>>>>> reviews
>>>>> (blindedly)
>>>>> the papers
>>>>> that
>>>>> anyone
>>>>> can
>>>>> submit,
>>>>> and selects
>>>>> the ones
>>>>> that
>>>>> are technically
>>>>> best.
>>>>> I
>>>>> haven't
>>>>> seen
>>>>> any evidence
>>>>> of
>>>>> corruption
>>>>> in
>>>>> this
>>>>> process
>>>>> but I'd
>>>>> be
>>>>> happy
>>>>> to
>>>>> answer
>>>>> any questions
>>>>> you have
>>>>> about
>>>>> it. This
>>>>> conference
>>>>> originated
>>>>> during
>>>>> the
>>>>> first
>>>>> crypto
>>>>> wars,
>>>>> when
>>>>> cryptography
>>>>> was on
>>>>> the verge
>>>>> becoming
>>>>> illegal;
>>>>> kowtowing
>>>>> to
>>>>> anti-privacy
>>>>> interested
>>>>> would
>>>>> be
>>>>> perverse
>>>>> against
>>>>> its culture.
>>>>> Also
>>>>> there's
>>>>> a
>>>>> session
>>>>> in
>>>>> the bitcoin
>>>>> workshop
>>>>> about
>>>>> (improving)
>>>>> Bitcoin
>>>>> privacy.
>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
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