Alec, good points on murder charges. Sounds like he could have handled it
better and it was not as clear cut as life in prison or calling a hit.



On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 5:42 PM, Alec Spier <alec.spier@???>
wrote:

>
> also if you hop on irc my handles same as last night. probably better than
> relying on just checking email alone
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 07, 2015 at 1:02 PM
> *From:* Matt <millsdmb@???>
>
> *To:* "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
> *Subject:* Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
> My point is that they shouldn't need good luck.
>
> How can what others sell be their problem? The police need to police, they
> need to develop.
>
> If a node is behind TOR and/or proper proxy, it should be a lost cause for
> law enforcement....Unless LE makes controlled buys, or OpenBazaar assists
> somehow (weakening their code?).
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 1:32 PM, Julia Tourianski <
> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>
>> I like the OpenBazaar project and I've participated in its early
>> releases...but everyone involved is on the thin ice of State whim. Good
>> luck. I do mean that.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> For the secrets and lies, my PGP key:
>> https://libbitcoin.dyne.org/julia_tourianski.pgp.asc
>>
>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 1:15 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Isn't a bomb manual protected free speech?
>>> On Feb 7, 2015 12:15 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I think the only really way to "police" content might be to use some
>>>> filtering tools on the client side. This doesn't really eliminate nefarious
>>>> content but acts somewhat like a net nanny for those that don't want to be
>>>> exposed to it. Policing will come down to the same methods used for busting
>>>> piracy online. Trying to somehow track down the nodes in real life and
>>>> taking them down one by one.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 1:09 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks for the reply.
>>>>
>>>> Curious if you could elaborate on your ideas for policing a
>>>> decentralized marketplace. As I understand, even Diaspora is unable to
>>>> remove the social pages of terrorist organizations.
>>>> ​Regards,
>>>> Matt​
>>>>
>>>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> This is not the first time we've been asked this question. We will
>>>>> do the same thing that the creators of BitTorrent do every time a bomb
>>>>> manual or pirated piece of software shows up on their network. I think
>>>>> people underestimate our ability to police the network. It is an
>>>>> experimental software protocol and not a centralized business. We also do
>>>>> not stand to take a profit, perform arbitration for merchants or buyers or
>>>>> have any kind of business relationship with content creators on the
>>>>> network. The network is agnostic and therefore is not opinionated about its
>>>>> usage. Will it be used for nefarious purposes? Possibly. Will it be used to
>>>>> do amazingly positive things? Possibly. We shall see.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 7, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> My question is, when hit men set up shop on *OpenBazaar*, what will
>>>>> you do Brian?
>>>>>
>>>>> Apologies if this is off tangent, but I am genuinely curious. This
>>>>> platform stands to be the best replacement for Silk Road. You don't think
>>>>> the government will blame you or the team for everything that is done on
>>>>> the site? I promise you, I know many dealers ready to sell all sorts of
>>>>> things that I have a feeling will put you in a morally precarious situation.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:23 AM, ben <colypse@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Wont paying tax and to support a government that uses deathpenalty as
>>>>>> a punishment makes every person techincally a murderer? Does it make a
>>>>>> difference who inject the needle or pulls the electricity switch?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 2015-02-07 13:20 GMT+01.00, Alec Spier <alec.spier@???>:
>>>>>> > Huh?? ... what???? Whaaaa????
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > All im putring forth is that murder for hire to protect some
>>>>>> addresses in
>>>>>> > the name of money is morally wrong from my perspective. If someone
>>>>>> has a
>>>>>> > valid criticism here Im open ears and arms.
>>>>>> > --
>>>>>> > Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my
>>>>>> brevity.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > Damian <i3inary@???> wrote:
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> i like to imagine that shiva taught cody how to breakdance and he
>>>>>> is
>>>>>> >> windmilling like a mofo. all destruction leads to creation...each
>>>>>> time
>>>>>> >> something is destroyed (from ideas to the physical) we build again
>>>>>> imbuing
>>>>>> >> our creations with and greater intelligence each time...the
>>>>>> patterns that
>>>>>> >> i observe seem to suggest that we need destruction to increase the
>>>>>> >> resolution of phi in each creation cycle. we need more codys
>>>>>> fearlessly
>>>>>> >> busting down the technical, philosophical, economic, social, and
>>>>>> >> political, decaying yet comfortable, falsehoods just as we need
>>>>>> micro
>>>>>> >> organisms to breakdown dead or decaying organic matter.
>>>>>> stagnation in
>>>>>> >> these areas of human culture has weakened the species over the
>>>>>> millennia
>>>>>> >> to the point that it may have crossed a threshold of fragility and
>>>>>> it
>>>>>> >> seems that the fractal manifests the system busting entities to
>>>>>> help to
>>>>>> >> accelerate creation by destruction and move us into a robust
>>>>>> upgraded
>>>>>> >> human culture.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> don't hate the player hate the game...recognize your cosmic role
>>>>>> and dance
>>>>>> >> your spirit's dance...you need no ones permission or approval and
>>>>>> you will
>>>>>> >> be in bliss with the wind at your back. if you are standing in
>>>>>> your truth
>>>>>> >> then push the envelope and watch it bend beyond any logic or
>>>>>> understanding
>>>>>> >> of any human.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> the more one focuses their consciousness on judgement of other
>>>>>> beings the
>>>>>> >> thicker and higher one is building the walls of their own
>>>>>> metaphysical
>>>>>> >> prison.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> if you don't know what you don't know then how much do you
>>>>>> actually know?
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >>
>>>>>> >> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Alec Spier <
>>>>>> alec.spier@???>
>>>>>> >> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Cody,
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Alright I'll admit I've not really considered arguments against my
>>>>>> >>> position as long as my position is that it is immoral to kill
>>>>>> another
>>>>>> >>> person for the quest of power and control. I'm not a philosopher
>>>>>> or
>>>>>> >>> theologian and I am not well-versed in philosophical debate and
>>>>>> maybe
>>>>>> >>> I've got a rigid view of right and wrong. However I have a
>>>>>> compass inside
>>>>>> >>> me which points to what I personally think is right and wrong and
>>>>>> that's
>>>>>> >>> all I've got. If you don't mind giving me something clear that I
>>>>>> can
>>>>>> >>> understand why Ross's actions were justified please give them to
>>>>>> me. I'm
>>>>>> >>> not stupid or stubborn, but the moral justification of his
>>>>>> actions aren't
>>>>>> >>> apparent to me and they seem to be overt to you. If you've got a
>>>>>> way you
>>>>>> >>> can put it so that I might understand you I'm willing to listen.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 at 1:27 AM
>>>>>> >>> From: "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>>>>>> >>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>>>>>> >>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>>>>> >>> Alec, it's because you've never actually considered the arguments
>>>>>> against
>>>>>> >>> your position. Where to begin? Nietzsche on free will and
>>>>>> responsibility
>>>>>> >>> as the tools of the theologian? The instinct of life and will to
>>>>>> power?
>>>>>> >>> It's there in Sartre too. As far back as Spinoza.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Free men are the makers of their own morality and independent,
>>>>>> long-range
>>>>>> >>> will.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> JG, yes naivete is what continues to strike me too from all of
>>>>>> this.
>>>>>> >>> Surely we were all shocked he was caught in San Francisco. I want
>>>>>> to
>>>>>> >>> think he was just riding the dragon. Caught up in an incredible
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>> growing singularity, a composition that had always exceeded him.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> How to the understand the daily beyond-the-law of his situation?
>>>>>> I am
>>>>>> >>> still not making of him a hero.
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Alec Spier <
>>>>>> alec.spier@???>
>>>>>> >>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> I don't really understand the ambiguity here. He's down with
>>>>>> killing
>>>>>> >>>> people whom may not have even been the ones that threatened him.
>>>>>> How
>>>>>> >>>> confident can you be in your offsec that you can pinpoint
>>>>>> someone from
>>>>>> >>>> their handle via Tor and be sure it's not a patsy being set up?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 at 12:04 AM
>>>>>> >>>> From: "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???>
>>>>>> >>>> To: unsystem@???
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>>>>> >>>> He could have just said "ehh.... Well fuck this has gotten too
>>>>>> hairy.
>>>>>> >>>> I'm just going to send all coins to different addresses and in a
>>>>>> month
>>>>>> >>>> or two post an option for anybody to get their coins back with
>>>>>> their SR
>>>>>> >>>> credentials. If anybody doesn't get their coins I'll just pay
>>>>>> them out
>>>>>> >>>> of my jillions. Time to be on my way with a plane ticket to
>>>>>> >>>> INSERT-NATION and be on my way with my gazillions and gazillions
>>>>>> of
>>>>>> >>>> dollars"
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You don't kill people. It is that simple. Killing people is
>>>>>> wrong unless
>>>>>> >>>> it's absolutely, entirely necessary, and as demonstrated above
>>>>>> it wasn't
>>>>>> >>>> necessary, he could have walked away a free man, his greed was
>>>>>> his
>>>>>> >>>> downfall and he deserves to be in prison for attempted murder.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 at 11:49 PM
>>>>>> >>>> From: "Juan S. Galt" <eljuangalt@???>
>>>>>> >>>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>>>>>> >>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>>>>> >>>> Fundamental there are 3 choices human being have in the face of
>>>>>> >>>> conflict.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> A) seek to find a win-win scenario. This means seek to establish
>>>>>> >>>> Universal* (your word Cody, not mine) rules of interaction. This
>>>>>> is what
>>>>>> >>>> Bitcoin IS. A set of rules by which to exchange value. This is
>>>>>> also what
>>>>>> >>>> the internet is, a set of rules by which to transfer & exchange
>>>>>> >>>> information.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> B) Seek to impose your will on the other regardless of their
>>>>>> >>>> preferences, aka win-lose. This is how the state operates and
>>>>>> what they
>>>>>> >>>> are doing to everyone in prison and everyone harmed by the war
>>>>>> on drugs,
>>>>>> >>>> and the pharma monopolies. This path is one of power struggles
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>> violence. Did Ross act unethically for threatening violence,
>>>>>> when the
>>>>>> >>>> alternative was being caged by the state? Given that the state
>>>>>> is the
>>>>>> >>>> one raising the stakes of this poker game, and without them this
>>>>>> would
>>>>>> >>>> be a non issue, than it is obvious to me they must enter the
>>>>>> moral
>>>>>> >>>> calculation.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> C) avoid interaction. This one has its limits ofcourse and is an
>>>>>> >>>> extension of B. It could be argued that Ross is responsible for
>>>>>> >>>> attempted murder simply because he made the choices that landed
>>>>>> him in
>>>>>> >>>> that situation, for even getting involved with building Silk
>>>>>> Road and
>>>>>> >>>> setting him self up to be in that situation.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> You see, blackmail does not simply go away once you pay them
>>>>>> off. The
>>>>>> >>>> attacker can keep coming back, and to not comply in Ross's
>>>>>> situation
>>>>>> >>>> could have been life in prison. What would you have done Adam?
>>>>>> what
>>>>>> >>>> alternatives?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Yes he ended up there regardless, though so far he has not been
>>>>>> charged
>>>>>> >>>> with attempted murder.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Ultimately, if Ross is guilty of anything, I think it is of
>>>>>> Naivety. Had
>>>>>> >>>> he encrypted his journal and named it "Cat pictures"... or not
>>>>>> used his
>>>>>> >>>> gmail with his full name on it... maybe than this would be a
>>>>>> different
>>>>>> >>>> story.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Perhaps he should have waited for decentralized markets to
>>>>>> emerge.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> Given all of this, was he not aware of the state's brutality?
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> And I must ask, did his friends and family not warn him of the
>>>>>> ruthless
>>>>>> >>>> beast that writes the laws? This counts regardless of whether
>>>>>> they knew
>>>>>> >>>> or not what he was up to.
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>>
>>>>>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Adam B. Levine
>>>>>> >>>> <adam@???> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Hey Alec, I'm pretty sure you just got cursed by Cody Wilson!
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>>> >>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>> >>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>>>>> >>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Cody R Wilson <
>>>>>> codywilson@???>
>>>>>> >>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> May you be faced with a terrible choice, Spier. You should be
>>>>>> slower
>>>>>> >>>>>> to second-guess him.
>>>>>> >>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:07 PM, "Alec Spier" <
>>>>>> alec.spier@???>
>>>>>> >>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> http://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/
>>>>>> >>>>>>> ^^ like this as theres support for Tor and Bitmessage. If we
>>>>>> could
>>>>>> >>>>>>> get the openbazaar arbitration scheme integrated or rep-based
>>>>>> >>>>>>> arbiters as optional it would be superior to both current
>>>>>> products.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Cody: "Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> >>>>>>> consider that he was supremely ethical as well."
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Actions speak louder than words... maybe I misunderstood this
>>>>>> >>>>>>> statement but it sounds a bit chickenshit honestly.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 at 6:33 PM
>>>>>> >>>>>>> From: "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Adam, yes I'll do it. I don't want you to think I'm avoiding
>>>>>> you.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Circling back to your point about tyranny's obsolescence.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> I want to talk about soft tyranny and State power's abstract
>>>>>> and
>>>>>> >>>>>>> constitutive dimension. Its construction of the individual
>>>>>> subject as
>>>>>> >>>>>>> a political unit. There are walls to tear down other than the
>>>>>> >>>>>>> physical. That's why I took the time to do this Foundation
>>>>>> song and
>>>>>> >>>>>>> dance. The moral majority in Bitcoin is hideous and due a real
>>>>>> >>>>>>> reckoning.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Regarding disruption without alternative, I'm sure it's
>>>>>> clear I cast
>>>>>> >>>>>>> my lot with the secret complicity all people have with the
>>>>>> disaster.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> Take the world financial and the sovereign debt games for
>>>>>> examples.
>>>>>> >>>>>>> We all know no real break from this circus comes without a
>>>>>> reset and
>>>>>> >>>>>>> some hard landings. Alternatives or no.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> We're all allergic to this overwhelming power. We're all
>>>>>> praying to
>>>>>> >>>>>>> see something, anything else.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 6:22 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>>>>>> adam@???>
>>>>>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> "Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With
>>>>>> any luck
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that
>>>>>> way, do
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> you really stop being a liberal?"
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I have no problem with black markets, my point is that by
>>>>>> just
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> allowing projects like this to emerge they naturally
>>>>>> obsolete the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> monopoly of the state and make it impossible to have most
>>>>>> forms of
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tyranical government because the government isn't a party to
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> transactions.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> If on the other hand we emphasize the disruptive nature and
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> antagonize the status quo without actually building
>>>>>> solutions on the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> tech that is now available we'll find it illegal and then
>>>>>> while it
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> will still be continued by people willing to break the law
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> progress will slow down exponentially and the utility will
>>>>>> drop to a
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> fraction of what it would be if it was not just disruptive
>>>>>> but also
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> obviously too useful to fight. You might say this is good
>>>>>> because
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it forces the hand of the state, I think that's a really
>>>>>> short
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> sighted point of view given things are naturally being
>>>>>> obsoleted as
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> we continue to build.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Seems like we've all made our points, Cody did you want to
>>>>>> come on
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! to chat on this and related topics? I
>>>>>> think
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> it's a very relevant discussion.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Cody R Wilson
>>>>>> >>>>>>>> <codywilson@???> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With
>>>>>> any luck
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets
>>>>>> will be
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that
>>>>>> way, do
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> you really stop being a liberal?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> This thread was about Ross' Trial and now judgment, and
>>>>>> ethical
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> questions like yours which were not entirely rhetorical. The
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> conversation became about morality and murder.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I say a militant ethics is required, and bad subjects
>>>>>> necessary, to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> depose the state-form. A great place to start examining
>>>>>> your head
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> is with your acceptance of universal morality, which I
>>>>>> offer is as
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> much a "product" as Swiss cheese.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we
>>>>>> should
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> consider that he was supremely ethical as well.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:52 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>>>>>> adam@???>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The gun thing? As mentioned, you seem to take on the
>>>>>> mission of
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> proving that the state can't actually enforce their
>>>>>> monopolies of
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> control as being the entire job. That is great but again
>>>>>> only
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> demonstrates that the illusion is an illusion, it does not
>>>>>> provide
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> any alternatives or solutions. Things like OpenBazaar are
>>>>>> actual
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> solutions so that when the current paradigm falls apart
>>>>>> there are
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> better systems not just hypothetically theoretical but
>>>>>> actually
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> working in real life before we needed them.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> What good is it destroying the existing paradigm if you've
>>>>>> got
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> nothing better to replace it with? Decentralized tools
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> enable p2p interactions and commerce without a trusted
>>>>>> third party
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> seem to solve that.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> So aren't projects like what Brian and I are working
>>>>>> neccesary
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> alternatives for when people come around to your way of
>>>>>> seeing
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> things? I just don't get the whole point out the problem
>>>>>> but shit
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> on attempts at building something different and better
>>>>>> thing.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you really not see the difference between openbazaar
>>>>>> and silk
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> road? They are structured very differently.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brian Hoffman
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> <brian@???> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> How many have you guys sold? I feel like I haven't heard
>>>>>> about it
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> since it came out. Seems irrelevant.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Cody R Wilson <
>>>>>> codywilson@???>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you hear me sighing?
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take DD's little Ghost Gunner. At once a reversion, a
>>>>>> baiting of
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the state regulatory imagination into overdrive, and the
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> literalization of its own nightmare. We understand the
>>>>>> spirit of
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> terror.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, no. I'm casting all these pearls because so many of
>>>>>> YOU have
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> become them, and you don't have to mettle to stand in
>>>>>> judgment
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Ulbricht.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:33 PM, "Washington Sanchez"
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Meet terror with terror..."
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What a skilful use of the leviathan's ideological
>>>>>> hegemony to
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> justify a corrupt conscience. You are not merely
>>>>>> emulating
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their tactics, you have become them. How disappointing.
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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>>>>>> >>> --
>>>>>> >>> Sincerely,
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> Cody R. Wilson
>>>>>> >>> codywilson@???
>>>>>> >>>
>>>>>> >>> The University of Texas School of Law
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