Thanks for the reply.

Curious if you could elaborate on your ideas for policing a decentralized
marketplace. As I understand, even Diaspora is unable to remove the social
pages of terrorist organizations.
​Regards,
Matt​


On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 1:04 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???> wrote:

> This is not the first time we've been asked this question. We will do the
> same thing that the creators of BitTorrent do every time a bomb manual or
> pirated piece of software shows up on their network. I think people
> underestimate our ability to police the network. It is an experimental
> software protocol and not a centralized business. We also do not stand to
> take a profit, perform arbitration for merchants or buyers or have any kind
> of business relationship with content creators on the network. The network
> is agnostic and therefore is not opinionated about its usage. Will it be
> used for nefarious purposes? Possibly. Will it be used to do amazingly
> positive things? Possibly. We shall see.
>
>
> On Feb 7, 2015, at 12:53 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???> wrote:
>
> My question is, when hit men set up shop on *OpenBazaar*, what will you
> do Brian?
>
> Apologies if this is off tangent, but I am genuinely curious. This
> platform stands to be the best replacement for Silk Road. You don't think
> the government will blame you or the team for everything that is done on
> the site? I promise you, I know many dealers ready to sell all sorts of
> things that I have a feeling will put you in a morally precarious situation.
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 7:23 AM, ben <colypse@???> wrote:
>
>> Wont paying tax and to support a government that uses deathpenalty as
>> a punishment makes every person techincally a murderer? Does it make a
>> difference who inject the needle or pulls the electricity switch?
>>
>> 2015-02-07 13:20 GMT+01.00, Alec Spier <alec.spier@???>:
>> > Huh?? ... what???? Whaaaa????
>> >
>> > All im putring forth is that murder for hire to protect some addresses
>> in
>> > the name of money is morally wrong from my perspective. If someone has a
>> > valid criticism here Im open ears and arms.
>> > --
>> > Sent from my Android phone with mail.com Mail. Please excuse my
>> brevity.
>> >
>> > Damian <i3inary@???> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> i like to imagine that shiva taught cody how to breakdance and he is
>> >> windmilling like a mofo. all destruction leads to creation...each time
>> >> something is destroyed (from ideas to the physical) we build again
>> imbuing
>> >> our creations with and greater intelligence each time...the patterns
>> that
>> >> i observe seem to suggest that we need destruction to increase the
>> >> resolution of phi in each creation cycle. we need more codys
>> fearlessly
>> >> busting down the technical, philosophical, economic, social, and
>> >> political, decaying yet comfortable, falsehoods just as we need micro
>> >> organisms to breakdown dead or decaying organic matter. stagnation in
>> >> these areas of human culture has weakened the species over the
>> millennia
>> >> to the point that it may have crossed a threshold of fragility and it
>> >> seems that the fractal manifests the system busting entities to help to
>> >> accelerate creation by destruction and move us into a robust upgraded
>> >> human culture.
>> >>
>> >> don't hate the player hate the game...recognize your cosmic role and
>> dance
>> >> your spirit's dance...you need no ones permission or approval and you
>> will
>> >> be in bliss with the wind at your back. if you are standing in your
>> truth
>> >> then push the envelope and watch it bend beyond any logic or
>> understanding
>> >> of any human.
>> >>
>> >> the more one focuses their consciousness on judgement of other beings
>> the
>> >> thicker and higher one is building the walls of their own metaphysical
>> >> prison.
>> >>
>> >> afflict the comfortable and comfort the afflicted.
>> >>
>> >> if you don't know what you don't know then how much do you actually
>> know?
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:12 AM, Alec Spier <alec.spier@???
>> >
>> >> wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> Cody,
>> >>>
>> >>> Alright I'll admit I've not really considered arguments against my
>> >>> position as long as my position is that it is immoral to kill another
>> >>> person for the quest of power and control. I'm not a philosopher or
>> >>> theologian and I am not well-versed in philosophical debate and maybe
>> >>> I've got a rigid view of right and wrong. However I have a compass
>> inside
>> >>> me which points to what I personally think is right and wrong and
>> that's
>> >>> all I've got. If you don't mind giving me something clear that I can
>> >>> understand why Ross's actions were justified please give them to me.
>> I'm
>> >>> not stupid or stubborn, but the moral justification of his actions
>> aren't
>> >>> apparent to me and they seem to be overt to you. If you've got a way
>> you
>> >>> can put it so that I might understand you I'm willing to listen.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 at 1:27 AM
>> >>> From: "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>> >>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>> >>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>> >>> Alec, it's because you've never actually considered the arguments
>> against
>> >>> your position. Where to begin? Nietzsche on free will and
>> responsibility
>> >>> as the tools of the theologian? The instinct of life and will to
>> power?
>> >>> It's there in Sartre too. As far back as Spinoza.
>> >>>
>> >>> Free men are the makers of their own morality and independent,
>> long-range
>> >>> will.
>> >>>
>> >>> JG, yes naivete is what continues to strike me too from all of this.
>> >>> Surely we were all shocked he was caught in San Francisco. I want to
>> >>> think he was just riding the dragon. Caught up in an incredible and
>> >>> growing singularity, a composition that had always exceeded him.
>> >>>
>> >>> How to the understand the daily beyond-the-law of his situation? I am
>> >>> still not making of him a hero.
>> >>>
>> >>> On Sat, Feb 7, 2015 at 12:21 AM, Alec Spier <
>> alec.spier@???>
>> >>> wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>> I don't really understand the ambiguity here. He's down with killing
>> >>>> people whom may not have even been the ones that threatened him. How
>> >>>> confident can you be in your offsec that you can pinpoint someone
>> from
>> >>>> their handle via Tor and be sure it's not a patsy being set up?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent: Saturday, February 07, 2015 at 12:04 AM
>> >>>> From: "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???>
>> >>>> To: unsystem@???
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>> >>>> He could have just said "ehh.... Well fuck this has gotten too hairy.
>> >>>> I'm just going to send all coins to different addresses and in a
>> month
>> >>>> or two post an option for anybody to get their coins back with their
>> SR
>> >>>> credentials. If anybody doesn't get their coins I'll just pay them
>> out
>> >>>> of my jillions. Time to be on my way with a plane ticket to
>> >>>> INSERT-NATION and be on my way with my gazillions and gazillions of
>> >>>> dollars"
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You don't kill people. It is that simple. Killing people is wrong
>> unless
>> >>>> it's absolutely, entirely necessary, and as demonstrated above it
>> wasn't
>> >>>> necessary, he could have walked away a free man, his greed was his
>> >>>> downfall and he deserves to be in prison for attempted murder.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 at 11:49 PM
>> >>>> From: "Juan S. Galt" <eljuangalt@???>
>> >>>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>> >>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>> >>>> Fundamental there are 3 choices human being have in the face of
>> >>>> conflict.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> A) seek to find a win-win scenario. This means seek to establish
>> >>>> Universal* (your word Cody, not mine) rules of interaction. This is
>> what
>> >>>> Bitcoin IS. A set of rules by which to exchange value. This is also
>> what
>> >>>> the internet is, a set of rules by which to transfer & exchange
>> >>>> information.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> B) Seek to impose your will on the other regardless of their
>> >>>> preferences, aka win-lose. This is how the state operates and what
>> they
>> >>>> are doing to everyone in prison and everyone harmed by the war on
>> drugs,
>> >>>> and the pharma monopolies. This path is one of power struggles and
>> >>>> violence. Did Ross act unethically for threatening violence, when the
>> >>>> alternative was being caged by the state? Given that the state is the
>> >>>> one raising the stakes of this poker game, and without them this
>> would
>> >>>> be a non issue, than it is obvious to me they must enter the moral
>> >>>> calculation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> C) avoid interaction. This one has its limits ofcourse and is an
>> >>>> extension of B. It could be argued that Ross is responsible for
>> >>>> attempted murder simply because he made the choices that landed him
>> in
>> >>>> that situation, for even getting involved with building Silk Road and
>> >>>> setting him self up to be in that situation.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> You see, blackmail does not simply go away once you pay them off. The
>> >>>> attacker can keep coming back, and to not comply in Ross's situation
>> >>>> could have been life in prison. What would you have done Adam? what
>> >>>> alternatives?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Yes he ended up there regardless, though so far he has not been
>> charged
>> >>>> with attempted murder.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Ultimately, if Ross is guilty of anything, I think it is of Naivety.
>> Had
>> >>>> he encrypted his journal and named it "Cat pictures"... or not used
>> his
>> >>>> gmail with his full name on it... maybe than this would be a
>> different
>> >>>> story.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Perhaps he should have waited for decentralized markets to emerge.
>> >>>>
>> >>>> Given all of this, was he not aware of the state's brutality?
>> >>>>
>> >>>> And I must ask, did his friends and family not warn him of the
>> ruthless
>> >>>> beast that writes the laws? This counts regardless of whether they
>> knew
>> >>>> or not what he was up to.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>>
>> >>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 8:14 PM, Adam B. Levine
>> >>>> <adam@???> wrote:
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Hey Alec, I'm pretty sure you just got cursed by Cody Wilson!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> Adam B. Levine
>> >>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>> >>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Cody R Wilson <
>> codywilson@???>
>> >>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> May you be faced with a terrible choice, Spier. You should be
>> slower
>> >>>>>> to second-guess him.
>> >>>>>>
>> >>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 8:07 PM, "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???>
>> >>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> http://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/
>> >>>>>>> ^^ like this as theres support for Tor and Bitmessage. If we could
>> >>>>>>> get the openbazaar arbitration scheme integrated or rep-based
>> >>>>>>> arbiters as optional it would be superior to both current
>> products.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Cody: "Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we
>> should
>> >>>>>>> consider that he was supremely ethical as well."
>> >>>>>>> Actions speak louder than words... maybe I misunderstood this
>> >>>>>>> statement but it sounds a bit chickenshit honestly.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Sent: Friday, February 06, 2015 at 6:33 PM
>> >>>>>>> From: "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>> >>>>>>> To: "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>> >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Adam, yes I'll do it. I don't want you to think I'm avoiding you.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Circling back to your point about tyranny's obsolescence.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> I want to talk about soft tyranny and State power's abstract and
>> >>>>>>> constitutive dimension. Its construction of the individual
>> subject as
>> >>>>>>> a political unit. There are walls to tear down other than the
>> >>>>>>> physical. That's why I took the time to do this Foundation song
>> and
>> >>>>>>> dance. The moral majority in Bitcoin is hideous and due a real
>> >>>>>>> reckoning.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> Regarding disruption without alternative, I'm sure it's clear I
>> cast
>> >>>>>>> my lot with the secret complicity all people have with the
>> disaster.
>> >>>>>>> Take the world financial and the sovereign debt games for
>> examples.
>> >>>>>>> We all know no real break from this circus comes without a reset
>> and
>> >>>>>>> some hard landings. Alternatives or no.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> We're all allergic to this overwhelming power. We're all praying
>> to
>> >>>>>>> see something, anything else.
>> >>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 6:22 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>> adam@???>
>> >>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> "Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any
>> luck
>> >>>>>>>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will be
>> >>>>>>>> black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way, do
>> >>>>>>>> you really stop being a liberal?"
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> I have no problem with black markets, my point is that by just
>> >>>>>>>> allowing projects like this to emerge they naturally obsolete the
>> >>>>>>>> monopoly of the state and make it impossible to have most forms
>> of
>> >>>>>>>> tyranical government because the government isn't a party to the
>> >>>>>>>> transactions.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> If on the other hand we emphasize the disruptive nature and
>> >>>>>>>> antagonize the status quo without actually building solutions on
>> the
>> >>>>>>>> tech that is now available we'll find it illegal and then while
>> it
>> >>>>>>>> will still be continued by people willing to break the law the
>> >>>>>>>> progress will slow down exponentially and the utility will drop
>> to a
>> >>>>>>>> fraction of what it would be if it was not just disruptive but
>> also
>> >>>>>>>> obviously too useful to fight. You might say this is good
>> because
>> >>>>>>>> it forces the hand of the state, I think that's a really short
>> >>>>>>>> sighted point of view given things are naturally being obsoleted
>> as
>> >>>>>>>> we continue to build.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Seems like we've all made our points, Cody did you want to come
>> on
>> >>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! to chat on this and related topics? I think
>> >>>>>>>> it's a very relevant discussion.
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>> >>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>> >>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>> >>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Cody R Wilson
>> >>>>>>>> <codywilson@???> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any
>> luck
>> >>>>>>>>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will
>> be
>> >>>>>>>>> black and we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way,
>> do
>> >>>>>>>>> you really stop being a liberal?
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> This thread was about Ross' Trial and now judgment, and ethical
>> >>>>>>>>> questions like yours which were not entirely rhetorical. The
>> >>>>>>>>> conversation became about morality and murder.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> I say a militant ethics is required, and bad subjects
>> necessary, to
>> >>>>>>>>> depose the state-form. A great place to start examining your
>> head
>> >>>>>>>>> is with your acceptance of universal morality, which I offer is
>> as
>> >>>>>>>>> much a "product" as Swiss cheese.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should
>> >>>>>>>>> consider that he was supremely ethical as well.
>> >>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:52 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>> adam@???>
>> >>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> The gun thing? As mentioned, you seem to take on the mission
>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>> proving that the state can't actually enforce their monopolies
>> of
>> >>>>>>>>>> control as being the entire job. That is great but again only
>> >>>>>>>>>> demonstrates that the illusion is an illusion, it does not
>> provide
>> >>>>>>>>>> any alternatives or solutions. Things like OpenBazaar are
>> actual
>> >>>>>>>>>> solutions so that when the current paradigm falls apart there
>> are
>> >>>>>>>>>> better systems not just hypothetically theoretical but actually
>> >>>>>>>>>> working in real life before we needed them.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> What good is it destroying the existing paradigm if you've got
>> >>>>>>>>>> nothing better to replace it with? Decentralized tools that
>> >>>>>>>>>> enable p2p interactions and commerce without a trusted third
>> party
>> >>>>>>>>>> seem to solve that.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> So aren't projects like what Brian and I are working neccesary
>> >>>>>>>>>> alternatives for when people come around to your way of seeing
>> >>>>>>>>>> things? I just don't get the whole point out the problem but
>> shit
>> >>>>>>>>>> on attempts at building something different and better thing.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Do you really not see the difference between openbazaar and
>> silk
>> >>>>>>>>>> road? They are structured very differently.
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>> >>>>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>> >>>>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin!
>> >>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brian Hoffman
>> >>>>>>>>>> <brian@???> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> How many have you guys sold? I feel like I haven't heard
>> about it
>> >>>>>>>>>>> since it came out. Seems irrelevant.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Cody R Wilson <
>> codywilson@???>
>> >>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Can you hear me sighing?
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> Take DD's little Ghost Gunner. At once a reversion, a
>> baiting of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> the state regulatory imagination into overdrive, and the
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> literalization of its own nightmare. We understand the
>> spirit of
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> terror.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> So, no. I'm casting all these pearls because so many of YOU
>> have
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> become them, and you don't have to mettle to stand in
>> judgment
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> of Ulbricht.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:33 PM, "Washington Sanchez"
>> >>>>>>>>>>>> <washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> "Meet terror with terror..."
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> What a skilful use of the leviathan's ideological hegemony
>> to
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> justify a corrupt conscience. You are not merely emulating
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>> their tactics, you have become them. How disappointing.
>> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
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