May you be faced with a terrible choice, Spier. You should be slower to
second-guess him.
On Feb 6, 2015 8:07 PM, "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???> wrote:

> http://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/
> ^^ like this as theres support for Tor and Bitmessage. If we could get the
> openbazaar arbitration scheme integrated or rep-based arbiters as optional
> it would be superior to both current products.
>
> Cody: "Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should
> consider that he was supremely ethical as well."
> Actions speak louder than words... maybe I misunderstood this statement
> but it sounds a bit chickenshit honestly.
>
> *Sent:* Friday, February 06, 2015 at 6:33 PM
> *From:* "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
> *To:* "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
> *Subject:* Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>
> Adam, yes I'll do it. I don't want you to think I'm avoiding you.
>
> Circling back to your point about tyranny's obsolescence.
>
> I want to talk about soft tyranny and State power's abstract and
> constitutive dimension. Its construction of the individual subject as a
> political unit. There are walls to tear down other than the physical.
> That's why I took the time to do this Foundation song and dance. The moral
> majority in Bitcoin is hideous and due a real reckoning.
>
> Regarding disruption without alternative, I'm sure it's clear I cast my
> lot with the secret complicity all people have with the disaster. Take the
> world financial and the sovereign debt games for examples. We all know no
> real break from this circus comes without a reset and some hard landings.
> Alternatives or no.
>
> We're all allergic to this overwhelming power. We're all praying to see
> something, anything else.
> On Feb 6, 2015 6:22 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???>
> wrote:
>>
>> *"Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any luck
>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will be black and
>> we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way, do you really stop
>> being a liberal?"*
>>
>> I have no problem with black markets, my point is that by just allowing
>> projects like this to emerge they naturally obsolete the monopoly of the
>> state and make it impossible to have most forms of tyranical government
>> because the government isn't a party to the transactions.
>>
>> If on the other hand we emphasize the disruptive nature and antagonize
>> the status quo without actually building solutions on the tech that is now
>> available we'll find it illegal and then while it will still be continued
>> by people willing to break the law the progress will slow down
>> exponentially and the utility will drop to a fraction of what it would be
>> if it was not just disruptive but also obviously too useful to fight. You
>> might say this is good because it forces the hand of the state, I think
>> that's a really short sighted point of view given things are naturally
>> being obsoleted as we continue to build.
>>
>> Seems like we've all made our points,* Cody did you want to come on
>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! to chat on this and related topics?* I think it's a
>> very relevant discussion.
>>
>> Adam B. Levine
>> Editor-in-Chief
>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>
>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any luck it
>>> will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will be black and we
>>> may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way, do you really stop being
>>> a liberal?
>>>
>>> This thread was about Ross' Trial and now judgment, and ethical
>>> questions like yours which were not entirely rhetorical. The conversation
>>> became about morality and murder.
>>>
>>> I say a militant ethics is required, and bad subjects necessary, to
>>> depose the state-form. A great place to start examining your head is with
>>> your acceptance of universal morality, which I offer is as much a "product"
>>> as Swiss cheese.
>>>
>>> Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should consider
>>> that he was supremely ethical as well.
>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:52 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> The gun thing? As mentioned, you seem to take on the mission of
>>>> proving that the state can't actually enforce their monopolies of control
>>>> as being the entire job. That is great but again only demonstrates that the
>>>> illusion is an illusion, it does not provide any alternatives or
>>>> solutions. Things like OpenBazaar are actual solutions so that when the
>>>> current paradigm falls apart there are better systems not just
>>>> hypothetically theoretical but actually working in real life before we
>>>> needed them.
>>>>
>>>> What good is it destroying the existing paradigm if you've got nothing
>>>> better to replace it with? Decentralized tools that enable p2p
>>>> interactions and commerce without a trusted third party seem to solve that.
>>>>
>>>> So aren't projects like what Brian and I are working neccesary
>>>> alternatives for when people come around to your way of seeing things? I
>>>> just don't get the whole point out the problem but shit on attempts at
>>>> building something different and better thing.
>>>>
>>>> Do you really not see the difference between openbazaar and silk road?
>>>> They are structured very differently.
>>>>
>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> How many have you guys sold? I feel like I haven't heard about it
>>>>> since it came out. Seems irrelevant.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Can you hear me sighing?
>>>>>
>>>>> Take DD's little Ghost Gunner. At once a reversion, a baiting of the
>>>>> state regulatory imagination into overdrive, and the literalization of its
>>>>> own nightmare. We understand the spirit of terror.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, no. I'm casting all these pearls because so many of YOU have
>>>>> become them, and you don't have to mettle to stand in judgment of Ulbricht.
>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:33 PM, "Washington Sanchez" <
>>>>> washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "Meet terror with terror..."
>>>>>>
>>>>>> What a skilful use of the leviathan's ideological hegemony to justify
>>>>>> a corrupt conscience. You are not merely emulating their tactics, you have
>>>>>> become them. How disappointing.
>>>>>>
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