Hey Alec, I'm pretty sure you just got cursed by Cody Wilson!

Adam B. Levine
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On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 6:12 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:

> May you be faced with a terrible choice, Spier. You should be slower to
> second-guess him.
> On Feb 6, 2015 8:07 PM, "Alec Spier" <alec.spier@???> wrote:
>
>> http://voluntary.net/bitmarkets/
>> ^^ like this as theres support for Tor and Bitmessage. If we could get
>> the openbazaar arbitration scheme integrated or rep-based arbiters as
>> optional it would be superior to both current products.
>>
>> Cody: "Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should
>> consider that he was supremely ethical as well."
>> Actions speak louder than words... maybe I misunderstood this statement
>> but it sounds a bit chickenshit honestly.
>>
>> *Sent:* Friday, February 06, 2015 at 6:33 PM
>> *From:* "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>> *To:* "System undo crew" <unsystem@???>
>> *Subject:* Re: [unSYSTEM] Silk Road Trial is starting.
>>
>> Adam, yes I'll do it. I don't want you to think I'm avoiding you.
>>
>> Circling back to your point about tyranny's obsolescence.
>>
>> I want to talk about soft tyranny and State power's abstract and
>> constitutive dimension. Its construction of the individual subject as a
>> political unit. There are walls to tear down other than the physical.
>> That's why I took the time to do this Foundation song and dance. The moral
>> majority in Bitcoin is hideous and due a real reckoning.
>>
>> Regarding disruption without alternative, I'm sure it's clear I cast my
>> lot with the secret complicity all people have with the disaster. Take the
>> world financial and the sovereign debt games for examples. We all know no
>> real break from this circus comes without a reset and some hard landings.
>> Alternatives or no.
>>
>> We're all allergic to this overwhelming power. We're all praying to see
>> something, anything else.
>> On Feb 6, 2015 6:22 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> *"Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any luck
>>> it will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will be black and
>>> we may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way, do you really stop
>>> being a liberal?"*
>>>
>>> I have no problem with black markets, my point is that by just allowing
>>> projects like this to emerge they naturally obsolete the monopoly of the
>>> state and make it impossible to have most forms of tyranical government
>>> because the government isn't a party to the transactions.
>>>
>>> If on the other hand we emphasize the disruptive nature and antagonize
>>> the status quo without actually building solutions on the tech that is now
>>> available we'll find it illegal and then while it will still be continued
>>> by people willing to break the law the progress will slow down
>>> exponentially and the utility will drop to a fraction of what it would be
>>> if it was not just disruptive but also obviously too useful to fight. You
>>> might say this is good because it forces the hand of the state, I think
>>> that's a really short sighted point of view given things are naturally
>>> being obsoleted as we continue to build.
>>>
>>> Seems like we've all made our points,* Cody did you want to come on
>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! to chat on this and related topics?* I think it's
>>> a very relevant discussion.
>>>
>>> Adam B. Levine
>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 4:08 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Firstly, I've not discounted the value of openbazaar. With any luck it
>>>> will be vibrant and successful and copied. The markets will be black and we
>>>> may rejoice. Supposing it all goes down that way, do you really stop being
>>>> a liberal?
>>>>
>>>> This thread was about Ross' Trial and now judgment, and ethical
>>>> questions like yours which were not entirely rhetorical. The conversation
>>>> became about morality and murder.
>>>>
>>>> I say a militant ethics is required, and bad subjects necessary, to
>>>> depose the state-form. A great place to start examining your head is with
>>>> your acceptance of universal morality, which I offer is as much a "product"
>>>> as Swiss cheese.
>>>>
>>>> Ross may have acted unethically in his actions. But we should consider
>>>> that he was supremely ethical as well.
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:52 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> The gun thing? As mentioned, you seem to take on the mission of
>>>>> proving that the state can't actually enforce their monopolies of control
>>>>> as being the entire job. That is great but again only demonstrates that the
>>>>> illusion is an illusion, it does not provide any alternatives or
>>>>> solutions. Things like OpenBazaar are actual solutions so that when the
>>>>> current paradigm falls apart there are better systems not just
>>>>> hypothetically theoretical but actually working in real life before we
>>>>> needed them.
>>>>>
>>>>> What good is it destroying the existing paradigm if you've got nothing
>>>>> better to replace it with? Decentralized tools that enable p2p
>>>>> interactions and commerce without a trusted third party seem to solve that.
>>>>>
>>>>> So aren't projects like what Brian and I are working neccesary
>>>>> alternatives for when people come around to your way of seeing things? I
>>>>> just don't get the whole point out the problem but shit on attempts at
>>>>> building something different and better thing.
>>>>>
>>>>> Do you really not see the difference between openbazaar and silk
>>>>> road? They are structured very differently.
>>>>>
>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 3:45 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How many have you guys sold? I feel like I haven't heard about it
>>>>>> since it came out. Seems irrelevant.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 6:42 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can you hear me sighing?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Take DD's little Ghost Gunner. At once a reversion, a baiting of the
>>>>>> state regulatory imagination into overdrive, and the literalization of its
>>>>>> own nightmare. We understand the spirit of terror.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, no. I'm casting all these pearls because so many of YOU have
>>>>>> become them, and you don't have to mettle to stand in judgment of Ulbricht.
>>>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 5:33 PM, "Washington Sanchez" <
>>>>>> washington.sanchez@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "Meet terror with terror..."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What a skilful use of the leviathan's ideological hegemony to
>>>>>>> justify a corrupt conscience. You are not merely emulating their tactics,
>>>>>>> you have become them. How disappointing.
>>>>>>>
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