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Autor: Kevin Gallagher
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And who ordered the murder of Abdulrahman al-Awlaki?

On 02/06/2015 12:08 PM, Devon Read wrote:
> Brian
>
> If you're arguing morality, how about considering the whole thing from
> a different perspective. First, let's assume we can forgive the US
> government for its enormously hypocritical behavior in regard to the
> war on drugs (i.e., the significant amount of evidence that the CIA
> imports and financially supports drug producers, the positive impact
> on opium production that our invasion of Afghanistan had
> (http://static.wixstatic.com/media/99909e_2a76c5021bf544879e238e6c6afe3236.png_srz_828_480_75_22_0.50_1.20_0.00_png_srz),
> etc), or the fact that it has really only lead to increased police
> budgets and the highest rate of imprisonment in the world (where many
> low cost "made in america" products are made by the prisoners, btw, at
> substantially below minimum wage rates). The reality is that the trade
> of "drugs" has been a part of our history as far back as one can look.
> Just like it did to the alcohol trade, the abolition of the drug trade
> is what made it violent. What the Silk Road accomplished was to make
> it a safe and non-violent process again - whether Ross is DPR or not,
> and whether or not DPR ever allegedly ordered the killing of a handful
> of people to protect a system that was able to conduct such a large
> amount of trade without violence before that point (and with
> impression of protection from the threat of state-imposed violence),
> would you not agree that the Silk Road worked as a much more civilized
> mechanism than the current status quo? Wasn't it working in a far more
> "moral" way than alternatives?
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 11:33 AM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???
> <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:
>
>     Perhaps.

>
>
>     On Feb 6, 2015, at 2:29 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???
>     <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:

>
>>     My argument is you've internalized your masters and their morality.

>>
>>     On Feb 6, 2015 1:25 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???
>>     <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:

>>
>>         So your argument is drug kingpins gonna kingpin so it's all
>>         fair in love and war? I've tried hard to follow your line of
>>         argument, but I will claim ignorance here and move on.

>>
>>         On another note, I thought that he wrote the hells angel
>>         comment in his personal journal. They argued that wasn't him?

>>
>>
>>         On Feb 6, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Cody R Wilson
>>         <codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>> wrote:

>>
>>>         Hey buddy, you're in the wrong line of work if you can't
>>>         stomach a militant ethics or name your adversary.

>>>
>>>         In this case, bourgouis legality and its attendant
>>>         universals are keeping you in check. You, with openbazaar no
>>>         less.

>>>
>>>         I expect you'll be singing on the stand, yes?

>>>
>>>         On Feb 6, 2015 1:09 PM, "Brian Hoffman"
>>>         <brian@??? <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>> wrote:

>>>
>>>             So conspiracy to attempt murder is ethical now? I think
>>>             I've heard everything. I'll buy that this trial wasn't
>>>             about him trying to murder anyone, but that's a fucking
>>>             weak argument. I like how you casually place murder in
>>>             that "protection" bucket.

>>>
>>>             On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Cody R Wilson
>>>             <codywilson@??? <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>             wrote:

>>>
>>>>             Not only that, it is ethical to protect your suppliers
>>>>             and customers from ruin when another party threatens
>>>>             them with state violence.

>>>>
>>>>             Ross' takedown was also necessary because of his ethics.

>>>>
>>>>             On Feb 6, 2015 12:35 PM, "Adam B. Levine"
>>>>             <adam@???
>>>>             <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                 I think the point was not that he committed murder
>>>>                 or was accused of committing murder, it was that
>>>>                 the defense did not deny that his intention was for
>>>>                 someone to be murdered and he took steps that he
>>>>                 thought would lead to that outcome.  

>>>>
>>>>                 Do you think it is an acceptable behavior to pay
>>>>                 someone to murder someone else because you think
>>>>                 they threaten your illegal business?

>>>>
>>>>                 Adam B. Levine
>>>>                 Editor-in-Chief
>>>>                 Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>

>>>>
>>>>                 On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Julia Tourianski
>>>>                 <juliatourianski@???
>>>>                 <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                     Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug
>>>>                     trafficking, money laundering conspiracy to
>>>>                     hack, selling fraudulent identification...  and
>>>>                     variations of what I already mentioned. The
>>>>                     murder thing was all bullshit and he was never
>>>>                     indicted for it. the fact that people are so
>>>>                     hung up on it even in this mailing list shows
>>>>                     how effective of a slander strategy it was

>>>>
>>>>                     On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz"
>>>>                     <accruz44@???
>>>>                     <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                         Ross didn't actually get charged with
>>>>                         murder I thought? And was convicted on drug
>>>>                         trafficking, hacking, and money laundering.
>>>>                         Julia, do you have a full list of what the
>>>>                         conviction was?

>>>>
>>>>                         On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia
>>>>                         Tourianski <juliatourianski@???
>>>>                         <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                             He was confident because "I have an
>>>>                             answer for everything"

>>>>
>>>>                             unfortunately the defense was not
>>>>                             allowed to present half of their
>>>>                             evidence , and half of their witnesses
>>>>                             were not allowed to speak either.

>>>>
>>>>                             His fait was sealed before it even
>>>>                             started.

>>>>
>>>>                             On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt"
>>>>                             <eljuangalt@???
>>>>                             <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                                 I've yet to look a the evidence
>>>>                                 presented at the trial, havn't had
>>>>                                 time. However, the CIA has admitted
>>>>                                 to false flag operations and Its
>>>>                                 hard to argue that it is above them
>>>>                                 to do such a thing in this case,
>>>>                                 particularly given how the Silk
>>>>                                 Road arguable threatens the status
>>>>                                 quo in regards to the war on drugs. 

>>>>
>>>>                                 So, without looking at the
>>>>                                 evidence, my loyalty is with Ross.
>>>>                                 However, if those threats were
>>>>                                 indeed made, and Ross made them,
>>>>                                 than yes, that alone would deserve
>>>>                                 moral judgment and appropriate
>>>>                                 social action. 

>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>                                 On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM,
>>>>                                 Mathias Groennebaek
>>>>                                 <mathias@???
>>>>                                 <mailto:mathias@cloudtech.dk>> wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                                     Have I missed something, or did
>>>>                                     the defence not really provide
>>>>                                     any particular proof of Ross
>>>>                                     not having ordered the hit on
>>>>                                     several people? And if so, why
>>>>                                     is it so hard to understand why
>>>>                                     he has been convicted, when
>>>>                                     there is an ample amount of
>>>>                                     proof that he did indeed do so?
>>>>                                     From a moral perspective,
>>>>                                     anyone involved in a murder
>>>>                                     should in my honest opinion be
>>>>                                     convicted of their crimes. The
>>>>                                     silk road trial and a
>>>>                                     discussion in general about
>>>>                                     drugs and their legality is a
>>>>                                     separate matter entirely to me.

>>>>
>>>>                                     On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM,
>>>>                                     Juan S. Galt
>>>>                                     <eljuangalt@???
>>>>                                     <mailto:eljuangalt@gmail.com>>
>>>>                                     wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                                         Anyone with enough mind to
>>>>                                         think about it for a few
>>>>                                         minutes knows this trial
>>>>                                         has been rigged from the
>>>>                                         start. 

>>>>
>>>>                                         "It is important to note
>>>>                                         that since there is no
>>>>                                         victim to Ross’s alleged
>>>>                                         illegal activity this court
>>>>                                         case is not founded on
>>>>                                         contract law. And given the
>>>>                                         500+ variations of cannabis
>>>>                                         that was traded on the Silk
>>>>                                         Road, it’s hard to say it
>>>>                                         was even anti-democratic
>>>>                                         with the plant being one of
>>>>                                         the most popular
>>>>                                         recreational and medicinal
>>>>                                         drugs, which after decades
>>>>                                         of controversy remains
>>>>                                         illegal."

>>>>
>>>>                                         http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed

>>>>
>>>>                                         On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24
>>>>                                         PM, Brian Hoffman
>>>>                                         <brian@???
>>>>                                         <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>>
>>>>                                         wrote:

>>>>
>>>>                                             Touche

>>>>
>>>>                                             On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23
>>>>                                             PM, Cody R Wilson
>>>>                                             <codywilson@???
>>>>                                             <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>                                             wrote:

>>>>
>>>>>                                             What's reddit?

>>>>>
>>>>>                                             On Feb 4, 2015 7:22
>>>>>                                             PM, "Brian Hoffman"
>>>>>                                             <brian@???
>>>>>                                             <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>>
>>>>>                                             wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                 Meh it's just fun
>>>>>                                                 times. Don't tell
>>>>>                                                 me all the Reddit
>>>>>                                                 babble has you
>>>>>                                                 rattled. I'm just
>>>>>                                                 messing with you.

>>>>>
>>>>>                                                 On Feb 4, 2015, at
>>>>>                                                 8:18 PM, Cody R
>>>>>                                                 Wilson
>>>>>                                                 <codywilson@???
>>>>>                                                 <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>>                                                 wrote:

>>>>>
>>>>>>                                                 Hey Brian, if I
>>>>>>                                                 don't know better
>>>>>>                                                 I'd say you were
>>>>>>                                                 being snide.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                                 On Feb 4, 2015
>>>>>>                                                 7:10 PM, "Brian
>>>>>>                                                 Hoffman"
>>>>>>                                                 <brian@???
>>>>>>                                                 <mailto:brian@openbazaar.org>>
>>>>>>                                                 wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                                     And he
>>>>>>                                                     endorses you
>>>>>>                                                     for Bitcoin
>>>>>>                                                     Foundation
>>>>>>                                                     board as a
>>>>>>                                                     result of
>>>>>>                                                     your support.

>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>                                                     On Feb 4,
>>>>>>                                                     2015, at 8:04
>>>>>>                                                     PM, Cody R
>>>>>>                                                     Wilson
>>>>>>                                                     <codywilson@???
>>>>>>                                                     <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>>>                                                     wrote:

>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                     As I've said
>>>>>>>                                                     before, I
>>>>>>>                                                     support him
>>>>>>>                                                     because of
>>>>>>>                                                     what he is
>>>>>>>                                                     accused. Not
>>>>>>>                                                     despite it.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                     On Feb 4,
>>>>>>>                                                     2015 7:02
>>>>>>>                                                     PM, "Adam B.
>>>>>>>                                                     Levine"
>>>>>>>                                                     <adam@???
>>>>>>>                                                     <mailto:adam@letstalkbitcoin.com>>
>>>>>>>                                                     wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                         Does
>>>>>>>                                                         whether
>>>>>>>                                                         or not
>>>>>>>                                                         Ross did
>>>>>>>                                                         what he
>>>>>>>                                                         is being
>>>>>>>                                                         accused
>>>>>>>                                                         of and
>>>>>>>                                                         tried
>>>>>>>                                                         for,
>>>>>>>                                                         matter?

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                         Adam B.
>>>>>>>                                                         Levine
>>>>>>>                                                         Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>>>                                                         Let's
>>>>>>>                                                         Talk
>>>>>>>                                                         Bitcoin!
>>>>>>>                                                         <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                         On Wed,
>>>>>>>                                                         Feb 4,
>>>>>>>                                                         2015 at
>>>>>>>                                                         3:40 PM,
>>>>>>>                                                         Julia
>>>>>>>                                                         Tourianski
>>>>>>>                                                         <juliatourianski@???
>>>>>>>                                                         <mailto:juliatourianski@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>                                                         wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                             I
>>>>>>>                                                             watched
>>>>>>>                                                             his
>>>>>>>                                                             father
>>>>>>>                                                             breakdown
>>>>>>>                                                             on
>>>>>>>                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                             phone with
>>>>>>>                                                             Ross's
>>>>>>>                                                             sister
>>>>>>>                                                             and
>>>>>>>                                                             my
>>>>>>>                                                             world has
>>>>>>>                                                             been
>>>>>>>                                                             frozen
>>>>>>>                                                             since that
>>>>>>>                                                             moment.
>>>>>>>                                                             I
>>>>>>>                                                             cannot
>>>>>>>                                                             imagine
>>>>>>>                                                             their pain
>>>>>>>                                                             even
>>>>>>>                                                             after witnessing
>>>>>>>                                                             it.
>>>>>>>                                                             His
>>>>>>>                                                             mother
>>>>>>>                                                             is
>>>>>>>                                                             staying
>>>>>>>                                                             very
>>>>>>>                                                             strong,
>>>>>>>                                                             it's
>>>>>>>                                                             not
>>>>>>>                                                             over
>>>>>>>                                                             for her.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                             One
>>>>>>>                                                             of
>>>>>>>                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                             jury
>>>>>>>                                                             members
>>>>>>>                                                             was
>>>>>>>                                                             smiling
>>>>>>>                                                             when
>>>>>>>                                                             they
>>>>>>>                                                             announced
>>>>>>>                                                             it.
>>>>>>>                                                             I'm
>>>>>>>                                                             so
>>>>>>>                                                             disappointed
>>>>>>>                                                             in
>>>>>>>                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                             basic nature
>>>>>>>                                                             of
>>>>>>>                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                             common,
>>>>>>>                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                             "Justice"
>>>>>>>                                                             machine
>>>>>>>                                                             did
>>>>>>>                                                             its
>>>>>>>                                                             job
>>>>>>>                                                             today.
>>>>>>>                                                             ..

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                             On
>>>>>>>                                                             Feb
>>>>>>>                                                             4,
>>>>>>>                                                             2015
>>>>>>>                                                             5:42
>>>>>>>                                                             PM,
>>>>>>>                                                             "Cody R
>>>>>>>                                                             Wilson"
>>>>>>>                                                             <codywilson@???
>>>>>>>                                                             <mailto:codywilson@utexas.edu>>
>>>>>>>                                                             wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                 Take
>>>>>>>                                                                 heart.
>>>>>>>                                                                 We
>>>>>>>                                                                 knew
>>>>>>>                                                                 this
>>>>>>>                                                                 part
>>>>>>>                                                                 was
>>>>>>>                                                                 likely.
>>>>>>>                                                                 We
>>>>>>>                                                                 find
>>>>>>>                                                                 the
>>>>>>>                                                                 real
>>>>>>>                                                                 battle
>>>>>>>                                                                 in
>>>>>>>                                                                 challenging
>>>>>>>                                                                 the
>>>>>>>                                                                 US'
>>>>>>>                                                                 acquisition
>>>>>>>                                                                 of
>>>>>>>                                                                 the
>>>>>>>                                                                 server
>>>>>>>                                                                 info.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                 Can't
>>>>>>>                                                                 argue
>>>>>>>                                                                 the
>>>>>>>                                                                 facts,
>>>>>>>                                                                 but
>>>>>>>                                                                 we
>>>>>>>                                                                 can
>>>>>>>                                                                 put
>>>>>>>                                                                 them
>>>>>>>                                                                 to
>>>>>>>                                                                 proof
>>>>>>>                                                                 on
>>>>>>>                                                                 the
>>>>>>>                                                                 law.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                 On
>>>>>>>                                                                 Feb
>>>>>>>                                                                 4,
>>>>>>>                                                                 2015
>>>>>>>                                                                 4:40
>>>>>>>                                                                 PM,
>>>>>>>                                                                 "Alicia
>>>>>>>                                                                 Cruz"
>>>>>>>                                                                 <accruz44@???
>>>>>>>                                                                 <mailto:accruz44@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>                                                                 wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                     :(

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                     On
>>>>>>>                                                                     Wed,
>>>>>>>                                                                     Feb
>>>>>>>                                                                     4,
>>>>>>>                                                                     2015
>>>>>>>                                                                     at
>>>>>>>                                                                     4:31
>>>>>>>                                                                     PM,
>>>>>>>                                                                     Matt
>>>>>>>                                                                     <millsdmb@???
>>>>>>>                                                                     <mailto:millsdmb@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>>                                                                     wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                         Guilty
>>>>>>>                                                                         on
>>>>>>>                                                                         all
>>>>>>>                                                                         charges
>>>>>>>                                                                         :(:(

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                         On
>>>>>>>                                                                         Jan
>>>>>>>                                                                         23,
>>>>>>>                                                                         2015
>>>>>>>                                                                         12:49
>>>>>>>                                                                         PM,
>>>>>>>                                                                         "Andrew
>>>>>>>                                                                         Miller"
>>>>>>>                                                                         <amiller@???
>>>>>>>                                                                         <mailto:amiller@cs.umd.edu>>
>>>>>>>                                                                         wrote:

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                             > um
>>>>>>>                                                                             by
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             way,
>>>>>>>                                                                             did
>>>>>>>                                                                             anyone
>>>>>>>                                                                             notice
>>>>>>>                                                                             what
>>>>>>>                                                                             is
>>>>>>>                                                                             happening
>>>>>>>                                                                             in
>>>>>>>                                                                             Puerto
>>>>>>>                                                                             Rico
>>>>>>>                                                                             with
>>>>>>>                                                                             > the
>>>>>>>                                                                             Bitcoin
>>>>>>>                                                                             Foundation
>>>>>>>                                                                             and
>>>>>>>                                                                             that
>>>>>>>                                                                             ZeroCash
>>>>>>>                                                                             project,
>>>>>>>                                                                             which
>>>>>>>                                                                             did
>>>>>>>                                                                             present
>>>>>>>                                                                             at
>>>>>>>                                                                             > the
>>>>>>>                                                                             prior
>>>>>>>                                                                             FinCrypto,
>>>>>>>                                                                             is
>>>>>>>                                                                             noticeably
>>>>>>>                                                                             ABSENT
>>>>>>>                                                                             from
>>>>>>>                                                                             this
>>>>>>>                                                                             upcoming
>>>>>>>                                                                             one?
>>>>>>>                                                                             See:
>>>>>>>                                                                             > http://fc15.ifca.ai 
>>>>>>>                                                                             (yeah,
>>>>>>>                                                                             interesting
>>>>>>>                                                                             read)

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                             I think
>>>>>>>                                                                             your
>>>>>>>                                                                             point
>>>>>>>                                                                             is
>>>>>>>                                                                             that
>>>>>>>                                                                             because
>>>>>>>                                                                             there's
>>>>>>>                                                                             no
>>>>>>>                                                                             research
>>>>>>>                                                                             paper
>>>>>>>                                                                             about
>>>>>>>                                                                             Zerocash
>>>>>>>                                                                             or
>>>>>>>                                                                             an
>>>>>>>                                                                             extension
>>>>>>>                                                                             being
>>>>>>>                                                                             presented
>>>>>>>                                                                             at
>>>>>>>                                                                             FC
>>>>>>>                                                                             or
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             bitcoin
>>>>>>>                                                                             workshop,
>>>>>>>                                                                             that
>>>>>>>                                                                             it
>>>>>>>                                                                             might
>>>>>>>                                                                             be
>>>>>>>                                                                             being
>>>>>>>                                                                             squelched/unwelcome
>>>>>>>                                                                             somehow
>>>>>>>                                                                             by
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             foundation
>>>>>>>                                                                             influence
>>>>>>>                                                                             there?
>>>>>>>                                                                             That's
>>>>>>>                                                                             not
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             case...
>>>>>>>                                                                             members
>>>>>>>                                                                             of
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             zerocash
>>>>>>>                                                                             team
>>>>>>>                                                                             will
>>>>>>>                                                                             be
>>>>>>>                                                                             there
>>>>>>>                                                                             and
>>>>>>>                                                                             will
>>>>>>>                                                                             probably
>>>>>>>                                                                             present
>>>>>>>                                                                             a development
>>>>>>>                                                                             update
>>>>>>>                                                                             of
>>>>>>>                                                                             some
>>>>>>>                                                                             kind
>>>>>>>                                                                             at
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             rump
>>>>>>>                                                                             session.

>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>                                                                             I think
>>>>>>>                                                                             you're
>>>>>>>                                                                             also
>>>>>>>                                                                             suggesting
>>>>>>>                                                                             that
>>>>>>>                                                                             because
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             Bitcoin
>>>>>>>                                                                             Foundation
>>>>>>>                                                                             is
>>>>>>>                                                                             a sponsor
>>>>>>>                                                                             of
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             FC
>>>>>>>                                                                             conference
>>>>>>>                                                                             that
>>>>>>>                                                                             it's
>>>>>>>                                                                             corrupted
>>>>>>>                                                                             by
>>>>>>>                                                                             it's
>>>>>>>                                                                             influence.
>>>>>>>                                                                             I don't
>>>>>>>                                                                             think
>>>>>>>                                                                             that's
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             case...
>>>>>>>                                                                             it's
>>>>>>>                                                                             an
>>>>>>>                                                                             academic
>>>>>>>                                                                             research
>>>>>>>                                                                             conference,
>>>>>>>                                                                             a panel
>>>>>>>                                                                             of
>>>>>>>                                                                             researchers
>>>>>>>                                                                             reviews
>>>>>>>                                                                             (blindedly)
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             papers
>>>>>>>                                                                             that
>>>>>>>                                                                             anyone
>>>>>>>                                                                             can
>>>>>>>                                                                             submit,
>>>>>>>                                                                             and
>>>>>>>                                                                             selects
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             ones
>>>>>>>                                                                             that
>>>>>>>                                                                             are
>>>>>>>                                                                             technically
>>>>>>>                                                                             best.
>>>>>>>                                                                             I haven't
>>>>>>>                                                                             seen
>>>>>>>                                                                             any
>>>>>>>                                                                             evidence
>>>>>>>                                                                             of
>>>>>>>                                                                             corruption
>>>>>>>                                                                             in
>>>>>>>                                                                             this
>>>>>>>                                                                             process
>>>>>>>                                                                             but
>>>>>>>                                                                             I'd
>>>>>>>                                                                             be
>>>>>>>                                                                             happy
>>>>>>>                                                                             to
>>>>>>>                                                                             answer
>>>>>>>                                                                             any
>>>>>>>                                                                             questions
>>>>>>>                                                                             you
>>>>>>>                                                                             have
>>>>>>>                                                                             about
>>>>>>>                                                                             it.
>>>>>>>                                                                             This
>>>>>>>                                                                             conference
>>>>>>>                                                                             originated
>>>>>>>                                                                             during
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             first
>>>>>>>                                                                             crypto
>>>>>>>                                                                             wars,
>>>>>>>                                                                             when
>>>>>>>                                                                             cryptography
>>>>>>>                                                                             was
>>>>>>>                                                                             on
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             verge
>>>>>>>                                                                             becoming
>>>>>>>                                                                             illegal;
>>>>>>>                                                                             kowtowing
>>>>>>>                                                                             to
>>>>>>>                                                                             anti-privacy
>>>>>>>                                                                             interested
>>>>>>>                                                                             would
>>>>>>>                                                                             be
>>>>>>>                                                                             perverse
>>>>>>>                                                                             against
>>>>>>>                                                                             its
>>>>>>>                                                                             culture.
>>>>>>>                                                                             Also
>>>>>>>                                                                             there's
>>>>>>>                                                                             a session
>>>>>>>                                                                             in
>>>>>>>                                                                             the
>>>>>>>                                                                             bitcoin
>>>>>>>                                                                             workshop
>>>>>>>                                                                             about
>>>>>>>                                                                             (improving)
>>>>>>>                                                                             Bitcoin
>>>>>>>                                                                             privacy.
>>>>>>>                                                                             http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
>>>>>>>                                                                             _______________________________________________
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