My argument is you've internalized your masters and their morality.
On Feb 6, 2015 1:25 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???> wrote:

> So your argument is drug kingpins gonna kingpin so it's all fair in love
> and war? I've tried hard to follow your line of argument, but I will claim
> ignorance here and move on.
>
> On another note, I thought that he wrote the hells angel comment in his
> personal journal. They argued that wasn't him?
>
>
> On Feb 6, 2015, at 2:15 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>
> Hey buddy, you're in the wrong line of work if you can't stomach a
> militant ethics or name your adversary.
>
> In this case, bourgouis legality and its attendant universals are keeping
> you in check. You, with openbazaar no less.
>
> I expect you'll be singing on the stand, yes?
> On Feb 6, 2015 1:09 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???> wrote:
>
>> So conspiracy to attempt murder is ethical now? I think I've heard
>> everything. I'll buy that this trial wasn't about him trying to murder
>> anyone, but that's a fucking weak argument. I like how you casually place
>> murder in that "protection" bucket.
>>
>> On Feb 6, 2015, at 1:40 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???> wrote:
>>
>> Not only that, it is ethical to protect your suppliers and customers from
>> ruin when another party threatens them with state violence.
>>
>> Ross' takedown was also necessary because of his ethics.
>> On Feb 6, 2015 12:35 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I think the point was not that he committed murder or was accused of
>>> committing murder, it was that the defense did not deny that his intention
>>> was for someone to be murdered and he took steps that he thought would lead
>>> to that outcome.
>>>
>>> Do you think it is an acceptable behavior to pay someone to murder
>>> someone else because you think they threaten your illegal business?
>>>
>>> Adam B. Levine
>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Julia Tourianski <
>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug trafficking, money laundering
>>>> conspiracy to hack, selling fraudulent identification... and variations of
>>>> what I already mentioned. The murder thing was all bullshit and he was
>>>> never indicted for it. the fact that people are so hung up on it even in
>>>> this mailing list shows how effective of a slander strategy it was
>>>> On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Ross didn't actually get charged with murder I thought? And was
>>>>> convicted on drug trafficking, hacking, and money laundering. Julia, do you
>>>>> have a full list of what the conviction was?
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>>>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> He was confident because "I have an answer for everything"
>>>>>>
>>>>>> unfortunately the defense was not allowed to present half of their
>>>>>> evidence , and half of their witnesses were not allowed to speak either.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> His fait was sealed before it even started.
>>>>>> On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt" <eljuangalt@???> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I've yet to look a the evidence presented at the trial, havn't had
>>>>>>> time. However, the CIA has admitted to false flag operations and Its hard
>>>>>>> to argue that it is above them to do such a thing in this case,
>>>>>>> particularly given how the Silk Road arguable threatens the status quo in
>>>>>>> regards to the war on drugs.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, without looking at the evidence, my loyalty is with Ross.
>>>>>>> However, if those threats were indeed made, and Ross made them, than yes,
>>>>>>> that alone would deserve moral judgment and appropriate social action.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mathias Groennebaek <
>>>>>>> mathias@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Have I missed something, or did the defence not really provide any
>>>>>>>> particular proof of Ross not having ordered the hit on several people? And
>>>>>>>> if so, why is it so hard to understand why he has been convicted, when
>>>>>>>> there is an ample amount of proof that he did indeed do so?
>>>>>>>> From a moral perspective, anyone involved in a murder should in my
>>>>>>>> honest opinion be convicted of their crimes. The silk road trial and a
>>>>>>>> discussion in general about drugs and their legality is a separate matter
>>>>>>>> entirely to me.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Juan S. Galt <eljuangalt@???>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Anyone with enough mind to think about it for a few minutes knows
>>>>>>>>> this trial has been rigged from the start.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> "It is important to note that since there is no victim to Ross’s
>>>>>>>>> alleged illegal activity this court case is not founded on contract law.
>>>>>>>>> And given the 500+ variations of cannabis that was traded on the Silk Road,
>>>>>>>>> it’s hard to say it was even anti-democratic with the plant being one of
>>>>>>>>> the most popular recreational and medicinal drugs, which after decades of
>>>>>>>>> controversy remains illegal."
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Brian Hoffman <
>>>>>>>>> brian@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Touche
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> What's reddit?
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:22 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Meh it's just fun times. Don't tell me all the Reddit babble has
>>>>>>>>>>> you rattled. I'm just messing with you.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Hey Brian, if I don't know better I'd say you were being snide.
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> And he endorses you for Bitcoin Foundation board as a result of
>>>>>>>>>>>> your support.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Cody R Wilson <
>>>>>>>>>>>> codywilson@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> As I've said before, I support him because of what he is
>>>>>>>>>>>> accused. Not despite it.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:02 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>>>>>>>>>>>> adam@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Does whether or not Ross did what he is being accused of and
>>>>>>>>>>>>> tried for, matter?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>>>>>>>>>>>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched his father breakdown on the phone with Ross's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> sister and my world has been frozen since that moment. I cannot imagine
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> their pain even after witnessing it. His mother is staying very strong,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's not over for her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the jury members was smiling when they announced it.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I'm so disappointed in the basic nature of the common, the "Justice"
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> machine did its job today. ..
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 5:42 PM, "Cody R Wilson" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> codywilson@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take heart. We knew this part was likely. We find the real
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> battle in challenging the US' acquisition of the server info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't argue the facts, but we can put them to proof on the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 4:40 PM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guilty on all charges :(:(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2015 12:49 PM, "Andrew Miller" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amiller@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > um by the way, did anyone notice what is happening in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Puerto Rico with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the Bitcoin Foundation and that ZeroCash project, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did present at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the prior FinCrypto, is noticeably ABSENT from this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming one? See:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > http://fc15.ifca.ai (yeah, interesting read)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think your point is that because there's no research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zerocash or an extension being presented at FC or the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop, that it might be being squelched/unwelcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation influence there? That's not the case...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> members of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zerocash team will be there and will probably present a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update of some kind at the rump session.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you're also suggesting that because the Bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sponsor of the FC conference that it's corrupted by
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> it's influence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that's the case... it's an academic
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> research conference,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a panel of researchers reviews (blindedly) the papers
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> that anyone can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submit, and selects the ones that are technically best. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any evidence of corruption in this process but I'd be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> happy to answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any questions you have about it. This conference
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> originated during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first crypto wars, when cryptography was on the verge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal; kowtowing to anti-privacy interested would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perverse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against its culture. Also there's a session in the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin workshop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about (improving) Bitcoin privacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
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