adam, the defence argued ross was not dpr at that time and also pointed out
that the convo could be easily faked.







For the secrets and lies, my PGP key:
https://libbitcoin.dyne.org/julia_tourianski.pgp.asc

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 1:34 PM, Adam B. Levine <adam@???>
wrote:

> I think the point was not that he committed murder or was accused of
> committing murder, it was that the defense did not deny that his intention
> was for someone to be murdered and he took steps that he thought would lead
> to that outcome.
>
> Do you think it is an acceptable behavior to pay someone to murder someone
> else because you think they threaten your illegal business?
>
> Adam B. Levine
> Editor-in-Chief
> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>
> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 7:45 AM, Julia Tourianski <
> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>
>> Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug trafficking, money laundering
>> conspiracy to hack, selling fraudulent identification... and variations of
>> what I already mentioned. The murder thing was all bullshit and he was
>> never indicted for it. the fact that people are so hung up on it even in
>> this mailing list shows how effective of a slander strategy it was
>> On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???> wrote:
>>
>>> Ross didn't actually get charged with murder I thought? And was
>>> convicted on drug trafficking, hacking, and money laundering. Julia, do you
>>> have a full list of what the conviction was?
>>>
>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> He was confident because "I have an answer for everything"
>>>>
>>>> unfortunately the defense was not allowed to present half of their
>>>> evidence , and half of their witnesses were not allowed to speak either.
>>>>
>>>> His fait was sealed before it even started.
>>>> On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt" <eljuangalt@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> I've yet to look a the evidence presented at the trial, havn't had
>>>>> time. However, the CIA has admitted to false flag operations and Its hard
>>>>> to argue that it is above them to do such a thing in this case,
>>>>> particularly given how the Silk Road arguable threatens the status quo in
>>>>> regards to the war on drugs.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, without looking at the evidence, my loyalty is with Ross. However,
>>>>> if those threats were indeed made, and Ross made them, than yes, that alone
>>>>> would deserve moral judgment and appropriate social action.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mathias Groennebaek <
>>>>> mathias@???> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Have I missed something, or did the defence not really provide any
>>>>>> particular proof of Ross not having ordered the hit on several people? And
>>>>>> if so, why is it so hard to understand why he has been convicted, when
>>>>>> there is an ample amount of proof that he did indeed do so?
>>>>>> From a moral perspective, anyone involved in a murder should in my
>>>>>> honest opinion be convicted of their crimes. The silk road trial and a
>>>>>> discussion in general about drugs and their legality is a separate matter
>>>>>> entirely to me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Juan S. Galt <eljuangalt@???>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Anyone with enough mind to think about it for a few minutes knows
>>>>>>> this trial has been rigged from the start.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "It is important to note that since there is no victim to Ross’s
>>>>>>> alleged illegal activity this court case is not founded on contract law.
>>>>>>> And given the 500+ variations of cannabis that was traded on the Silk Road,
>>>>>>> it’s hard to say it was even anti-democratic with the plant being one of
>>>>>>> the most popular recreational and medicinal drugs, which after decades of
>>>>>>> controversy remains illegal."
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Touche
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> What's reddit?
>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:22 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Meh it's just fun times. Don't tell me all the Reddit babble has
>>>>>>>>> you rattled. I'm just messing with you.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hey Brian, if I don't know better I'd say you were being snide.
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> And he endorses you for Bitcoin Foundation board as a result of
>>>>>>>>>> your support.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> As I've said before, I support him because of what he is accused.
>>>>>>>>>> Not despite it.
>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:02 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <
>>>>>>>>>> adam@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Does whether or not Ross did what he is being accused of and
>>>>>>>>>>> tried for, matter?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>>>>>>>>>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I watched his father breakdown on the phone with Ross's sister
>>>>>>>>>>>> and my world has been frozen since that moment. I cannot imagine their pain
>>>>>>>>>>>> even after witnessing it. His mother is staying very strong, it's not over
>>>>>>>>>>>> for her.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> One of the jury members was smiling when they announced it. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>>> so disappointed in the basic nature of the common, the "Justice" machine
>>>>>>>>>>>> did its job today. ..
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 5:42 PM, "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Take heart. We knew this part was likely. We find the real
>>>>>>>>>>>>> battle in challenging the US' acquisition of the server info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't argue the facts, but we can put them to proof on the law.
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 4:40 PM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guilty on all charges :(:(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2015 12:49 PM, "Andrew Miller" <
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> amiller@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > um by the way, did anyone notice what is happening in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Puerto Rico with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the Bitcoin Foundation and that ZeroCash project, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did present at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the prior FinCrypto, is noticeably ABSENT from this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming one? See:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > http://fc15.ifca.ai (yeah, interesting read)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think your point is that because there's no research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> paper about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zerocash or an extension being presented at FC or the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop, that it might be being squelched/unwelcome
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> somehow by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation influence there? That's not the case... members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zerocash team will be there and will probably present a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update of some kind at the rump session.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you're also suggesting that because the Bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sponsor of the FC conference that it's corrupted by it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that's the case... it's an academic research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a panel of researchers reviews (blindedly) the papers that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submit, and selects the ones that are technically best. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any evidence of corruption in this process but I'd be happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any questions you have about it. This conference originated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first crypto wars, when cryptography was on the verge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal; kowtowing to anti-privacy interested would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perverse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against its culture. Also there's a session in the bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about (improving) Bitcoin privacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
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