*Exactly*! Thanks for clearing the air on this

On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:45 AM, Julia Tourianski <juliatourianski@???>
wrote:

> Drug trafficking, conspiracy to drug trafficking, money laundering
> conspiracy to hack, selling fraudulent identification... and variations of
> what I already mentioned. The murder thing was all bullshit and he was
> never indicted for it. the fact that people are so hung up on it even in
> this mailing list shows how effective of a slander strategy it was
> On Feb 6, 2015 9:36 AM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???> wrote:
>
>> Ross didn't actually get charged with murder I thought? And was convicted
>> on drug trafficking, hacking, and money laundering. Julia, do you have a
>> full list of what the conviction was?
>>
>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 11:17 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>
>>> He was confident because "I have an answer for everything"
>>>
>>> unfortunately the defense was not allowed to present half of their
>>> evidence , and half of their witnesses were not allowed to speak either.
>>>
>>> His fait was sealed before it even started.
>>> On Feb 5, 2015 10:17 PM, "Juan S. Galt" <eljuangalt@???> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've yet to look a the evidence presented at the trial, havn't had
>>>> time. However, the CIA has admitted to false flag operations and Its hard
>>>> to argue that it is above them to do such a thing in this case,
>>>> particularly given how the Silk Road arguable threatens the status quo in
>>>> regards to the war on drugs.
>>>>
>>>> So, without looking at the evidence, my loyalty is with Ross. However,
>>>> if those threats were indeed made, and Ross made them, than yes, that alone
>>>> would deserve moral judgment and appropriate social action.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Feb 5, 2015 at 7:57 PM, Mathias Groennebaek <
>>>> mathias@???> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Have I missed something, or did the defence not really provide any
>>>>> particular proof of Ross not having ordered the hit on several people? And
>>>>> if so, why is it so hard to understand why he has been convicted, when
>>>>> there is an ample amount of proof that he did indeed do so?
>>>>> From a moral perspective, anyone involved in a murder should in my
>>>>> honest opinion be convicted of their crimes. The silk road trial and a
>>>>> discussion in general about drugs and their legality is a separate matter
>>>>> entirely to me.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Feb 6, 2015 at 9:39 AM, Juan S. Galt <eljuangalt@???>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Anyone with enough mind to think about it for a few minutes knows
>>>>>> this trial has been rigged from the start.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> "It is important to note that since there is no victim to Ross’s
>>>>>> alleged illegal activity this court case is not founded on contract law.
>>>>>> And given the 500+ variations of cannabis that was traded on the Silk Road,
>>>>>> it’s hard to say it was even anti-democratic with the plant being one of
>>>>>> the most popular recreational and medicinal drugs, which after decades of
>>>>>> controversy remains illegal."
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://cointelegraph.com/news/113393/dread-pirate-roberts-imprisonment-vs-innovation-op-ed
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 7:24 PM, Brian Hoffman <brian@???>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Touche
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:23 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> What's reddit?
>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:22 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Meh it's just fun times. Don't tell me all the Reddit babble has
>>>>>>>> you rattled. I'm just messing with you.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:18 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hey Brian, if I don't know better I'd say you were being snide.
>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:10 PM, "Brian Hoffman" <brian@???>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> And he endorses you for Bitcoin Foundation board as a result of
>>>>>>>>> your support.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015, at 8:04 PM, Cody R Wilson <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> As I've said before, I support him because of what he is accused.
>>>>>>>>> Not despite it.
>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 7:02 PM, "Adam B. Levine" <adam@???>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Does whether or not Ross did what he is being accused of and
>>>>>>>>>> tried for, matter?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Adam B. Levine
>>>>>>>>>> Editor-in-Chief
>>>>>>>>>> Let's Talk Bitcoin! <http://www.letstalkbitcoin.com/>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 3:40 PM, Julia Tourianski <
>>>>>>>>>> juliatourianski@???> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I watched his father breakdown on the phone with Ross's sister
>>>>>>>>>>> and my world has been frozen since that moment. I cannot imagine their pain
>>>>>>>>>>> even after witnessing it. His mother is staying very strong, it's not over
>>>>>>>>>>> for her.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> One of the jury members was smiling when they announced it. I'm
>>>>>>>>>>> so disappointed in the basic nature of the common, the "Justice" machine
>>>>>>>>>>> did its job today. ..
>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 5:42 PM, "Cody R Wilson" <codywilson@???>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Take heart. We knew this part was likely. We find the real
>>>>>>>>>>>> battle in challenging the US' acquisition of the server info.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can't argue the facts, but we can put them to proof on the law.
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Feb 4, 2015 4:40 PM, "Alicia Cruz" <accruz44@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> :(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 4:31 PM, Matt <millsdmb@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Guilty on all charges :(:(
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> On Jan 23, 2015 12:49 PM, "Andrew Miller" <amiller@???>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > um by the way, did anyone notice what is happening in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Puerto Rico with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the Bitcoin Foundation and that ZeroCash project, which
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> did present at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > the prior FinCrypto, is noticeably ABSENT from this
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> upcoming one? See:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > http://fc15.ifca.ai (yeah, interesting read)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think your point is that because there's no research paper
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Zerocash or an extension being presented at FC or the bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop, that it might be being squelched/unwelcome somehow
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> by the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> foundation influence there? That's not the case... members
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> of the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> zerocash team will be there and will probably present a
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> development
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> update of some kind at the rump session.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I think you're also suggesting that because the Bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Foundation is
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a sponsor of the FC conference that it's corrupted by it's
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> influence.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't think that's the case... it's an academic research
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> conference,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> a panel of researchers reviews (blindedly) the papers that
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> anyone can
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> submit, and selects the ones that are technically best. I
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> haven't seen
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any evidence of corruption in this process but I'd be happy
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> to answer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> any questions you have about it. This conference originated
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> during the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> first crypto wars, when cryptography was on the verge
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> becoming
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> illegal; kowtowing to anti-privacy interested would be
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> perverse
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> against its culture. Also there's a session in the bitcoin
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> workshop
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> about (improving) Bitcoin privacy.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> http://fc15.ifca.ai/bitcoin/schedule.html
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