please, let's not include terrorists or their ideologies in our conversations.
--Gravis


On Wed, Feb 4, 2015 at 10:30 PM, hellekin <hellekin@???> wrote:
> On 02/04/2015 03:03 PM, Miles Fidelman wrote:
>>
>>>>> Is not ISIL a better analogy?
>>
>> But not the analogy I was driving at. The Taliban is a movement that
>> started focused on Afghanistan - a revolutionary movement. ISIL's
>> mission is to (re)establish an Islamic Caliphate over a broad swatch of
>> territory (kind of like the Borg). The later seems a lot more like what
>> is happening with systemd.
>>
>> Miles Fidelman
>>
>>
>
> The "Islamic Caliphate" and the general media attention of ISIL seem to
> me to respond to an ideological warfare painted in Samuel Huntington's
> 1996 opus "The Clash of Civilizations and the Remaking of World Order".
>
> Honestly, considering "The West" and "Islam(ism)" as monolithic entities
> fighting each other is a bit like confusing porn with eroticism, or
> McDonald's with food -- or war with peace.
>
> This heavy tendency of "Western" ideologists and mass media to draw
> subtle portraits with chainsaws and bulldozers is not at all helpful
> neither in understanding the phenomenon of the rise of ISIL in the
> Middle-East nor to understand the various forms of Islam, nor to
> understand each other as human beings, and of course it does not help
> bringing a sane view of complexity.
>
> I like Poettering's own choice of the Borg, because it illustrates the
> contradiction and paradox of his real-fictional action. Systemd is
> doing to the free software world what Microsoft was doing in its time to
> the computer world: it pushes the incentives of "progress", in the sense
> of fugue, to wrap a monolithic construct (Linux) with a monolithic shell
> (systemd) that will do it all and better than anyone else just because,
> please don't ask, you should know.
>
> Yes, the Borg. An invasive, unavoidable plague that will make its way
> like a caries down to the core of an aching tooth. I've seen the
> presentation with all the Borg illustrations, and frankly, I thought on
> some slides: how is that an advantage? Certainly Mr. Poettering is in
> love with his own mind and logic, but I would certainly not appreciate
> his poetry.
>
> The concept of "Pensée Unique", the "unique train of thought" that is
> delivered year after year by the all powerful "too big to fail" Western
> ideology has brought its heavy muddy boots into the free software world.
> That most of distributions adopted systemd however remains less a sign
> of quality and engineering prowess than a mix of developer laziness,
> good marketing, and general short-sightedness -- remember SSL is still
> around, and there's nothing worse than a bad idea whose time has come.
>
> That said, I wish the Devuan community-in-the-making would bring to a
> halt the criticism of Systemd and especially when it comes to demonizing
> it and making hardly appropriate comparisons, and start focusing on how
> we can make the best *universal* free software operating system that is
> not stuck in monomania, in bureaucracy, nor in the 1990s (although it
> should definitely be working on HDDs as well).
>
> Regards,
>
> ==
> hk
>

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