Exactly! that's what i feel and think about it.

On 2015-02-02 15:46, Steve Litt wrote:
> On Mon, 2 Feb 2015 11:47:28 -0600
> "T.J. Duchene" <t.j.duchene@???> wrote:
>
>> Funny thing. I hear a lot of complaining about systemd, and yes, i
>> think some of it is justified, but consider this...Rather than
>> joining the project and steering it in another direction, or creating
>> patches to fix what you do not like, everyone is just standing about
>> complaining. Now this is not to say that Devuan is sitting on its
>> hands.
>
> If five hundred of us joined the systemd project, it wouldn't change
> even one of our major objections, for the following reasons:
>
> * Systemd's foundational design is bad
> * It's led by Poettering, whose ego prevails
> * There's too much bad about systemd to ever fix
> * Many of us believe Red Hat has a financial stake in screwing up Linux
> * Every minute contributed to systemd is a minute stolen from the likes
> of vdev and many other softwares and techniques to make a good,
> modular, DIYable OS.
>
> "Why don't you work from the inside to fix it" is a phrase as old as
> the hills, usually spoken by those enjoying the status quo. Imagine if
> Martin Luther King had run for congress instead of leading the Civil
> Rights Marches. What if Gandhi had run for Parliament instead of
> leading a nation in nonviolent civil disobedience? Maybe Linus should
> have worked with Tannenbaum to make Minix better.
>
> You mention "everyone is just standing about complaining" and I have
> two responses:
>
> 1) Not true
> 2) Sometimes complaining is a good thing
>
> We're not just complaining. A large number of people have made inroads,
> in several different ways, to ensure a future where systemd is not
> manditory. Oh, we complain while we do that, but we're doing it. You
> were on the Debian-User list in September, so you saw the morose
> futility coupled with livid anger. Look at the world just four months
> later: We have many, many alternatives today, including a whole project
> bringing in a systemd free Debian.
>
> Secondly, sometimes complaining is a good thing. Every social change,
> and life without systemd *is* a social change, begins with complaints.
> Remember in early 2014 when those of us on Debian-User but not on the
> developers list had bad feelings about systemd, but thought we were the
> only one? Later that year, we found each other through complaining,
> formed a community by complaining, and when we had critical mass, we
> went elsewhere and competed with the status quo.
>
> In fact, Linux' success began in a universe of complaining about
> Windows. Linux would have been nothing more or less than a cool Geek
> project, sort of like Raspberry Pi, were it not for the voluminous mid
> to late 1990's complaints about Windows. A chunk of us went to Linux en
> masse, and that's how Linux invaded big iron shops, in the guise of
> Samba servers and email servers and the like.
>
> In summary, complaining is a natural outgrowth of systemd, and has had
> the positive effects of coalescing a community to make systemd
> unnecessary, and in doing so, spawned a whole new generation of folks
> who understand OS underpinnings and write software to keep those
> underpinnings sane. Diverting such enthusiasm to helping with the
> systemd project would be counterproductive.
>
> SteveT
>

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