I think he might be a concern troll, best ignore him.
On Feb 3, 2015 1:32 AM, "Steve Litt" <slitt@???> wrote:

> On Mon, 02 Feb 2015 16:54:12 -0600
> t.j.duchene@??? wrote:
>
> > On Monday, February 02, 2015 07:57:23 PM Vlad wrote:
> > > Hey Lennart if you dislike Devuan that much feel free to go back to
> > > freedesktop.org or whatever?
> > >
> >
> > You misunderstood what I meant. I was in a hurry, and I admit, I
> > should have phrased it better. Mea culpa.
> >
> > The reality is that no matter what anyone does, systemd is here to
> > stay,
>
> Oh geez, I gave you the benefit of the doubt on the first post, and now
> you write the preceding. You're on this mailing list why?
>
> People are working very hard to depoetterize Linux as fast as Red Hat
> can poetterize it. Your statement above is a slap in the face to the
> people making eudev, vdev, and lots of other stuff.
>
> You must have one heck of a crystal ball, because I sure haven't had
> voices from a burning bush tell me that systemd is here to stay. It
> could easily be gone, and considered a huge mistake, within three years.
>
> > and it is likely going to be a long term issue, requiring a
> > long term solution. Consider that upstream projects entirely outside
> > of Devuan's control are going to be aiming dependencies on systemd.
> > Gnome already does, and there are plains for KDE to take a similar
> > path.
>
> There's an easy cure for that: f em! If they force Devian not to
> support them, well, that was their decision, wasn't it?
>
> >
> > There is no escaping this fact of life.
>
> So true. The British will rule America and India, it's a fact of life.
> What the hell does "fact of life" even mean?
>
> > Linux as an OS is developed
> > in a hodgepodge of distributions. The reason systemd has found such
> > wide adoption is that it simplifies their work. As long as
> > distributors use it, more and more project developers are going to
> > create dependencies on systemd.
>
> You really do love systemd. I thought it was just a summer thing.
>
> If you want to simplify their work, read up on the Supervision Scripts
> at https://bitbucket.org/avery_payne/supervision-scripts .
>
> >
> > Unless Devuan intends to drop or fork every single piece of software
> > that decides to use systemd's facilities,
>
> Not a bad idea at all in the long run, but in the short run I've proven
> over and over again that you can init with a simple init, and
> (temporarily) use systemd's udev etc. As far as Gnome, well, they made
> their choice, let them live with it.
>
> > it's going to be a war of
> > attrition as things go on, no matter the arguments against systemd.
>
> Yeah, they said Linux could never survive against Windows either.
>
> > Unless systemd implodes of its own accord, which is unlikely -
>
> Very likely. For instance, look at who is left on Debian-User. Nothing
> but noob, far as the eye can see. This is where they scout for devs.
> Huge numbers of people are totally enraged with systemd. The only
> people who totally love systemd are paid to do so.
>
> > Devuan is probably going to have to provide some form of
> > compatibility in the future. This will be the case, regardless of how
> > you or I might feel on the subject, especially if kdbus gets
> > integrated into the Linux kernel. If that happens, it might as well
> > be "game over" for systems that do not provide at least a shim.
>
> By all means then, let Devuan provide a shim, at least in the short
> run.
>
> > I think that uselessd or FreeBSD's compatibility projects are
> > probably the most likely solutions.
>
> And you're on this list why?
>
> Seriously, T.J. why? I said anti-Debian stuff on the Debian-User list
> because I saw Debian as the last hope for life without systemd. I was
> factually wrong. But you have millions of choices, involving systemd
> from 100% to 0% and anything in between, so why do you come on this
> list evangelizing systemd, and telling us our efforts are useless?
>
> SteveT
>

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